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Old April 2nd, 2019, 11:06 PM #2821
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Dropping the comedic duos would automatically improve the shows.

Beast Morphers would be fine if they just had better writing. Last week's episode is a great example.
They had evil Roxy announce her plan to try to fool Ravi before she'd ever even done anything, so the audience was 100% clued in to what was going on the whole time. There was absolutely no dramatic tension. Imagine if they'd just cut that bit out, maybe toned down the over-the-top flirting (the virtual rose was a bit much), and then not reveal that she'd been faking all along until the end. There would be just a little bit of uncertainty for the audience (and imagine if there was any ambiguity at the end), rather than just, "evil person announces evil plan, evil person carries out evil plan, evil person is evil." The audience might feel something there, rather than just watching the characters going through the paces.
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Old April 2nd, 2019, 11:24 PM #2822
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Dropping the comedic duos would automatically improve the shows.

Beast Morphers would be fine if they just had better writing. Last week's episode is a great example.
They had evil Roxy announce her plan to try to fool Ravi before she'd ever even done anything, so the audience was 100% clued in to what was going on the whole time. There was absolutely no dramatic tension. Imagine if they'd just cut that bit out, maybe toned down the over-the-top flirting (the virtual rose was a bit much), and then not reveal that she'd been faking all along until the end. There would be just a little bit of uncertainty for the audience (and imagine if there was any ambiguity at the end), rather than just, "evil person announces evil plan, evil person carries out evil plan, evil person is evil." The audience might feel something there, rather than just watching the characters going through the paces.
...Would any of us have actually believed it? It's not even the first time we've seen this story.

And it's only episode 4.
There's no way she would've been telling the truth this early. Especially considering it was on Valentine's Day. Also, didn't they make it clear that the avatars are just evil clones in the first episode? It would've been really obvious either way.

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Old April 2nd, 2019, 11:52 PM #2823
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Dropping the comedic duos would automatically improve the shows.

Beast Morphers would be fine if they just had better writing. Last week's episode is a great example.
They had evil Roxy announce her plan to try to fool Ravi before she'd ever even done anything, so the audience was 100% clued in to what was going on the whole time. There was absolutely no dramatic tension. Imagine if they'd just cut that bit out, maybe toned down the over-the-top flirting (the virtual rose was a bit much), and then not reveal that she'd been faking all along until the end. There would be just a little bit of uncertainty for the audience (and imagine if there was any ambiguity at the end), rather than just, "evil person announces evil plan, evil person carries out evil plan, evil person is evil." The audience might feel something there, rather than just watching the characters going through the paces.
The Avatars had the memories of there Hosts, and for sore there memories, unless later they started to feel the same was there humans versions, but that was something i liked to see, is if the Avatars of Blaze/Roxy intergrade there humans host, use the real bodys of them, I wonder if Evox could awaken the real ones!!!
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Old April 3rd, 2019, 12:57 AM #2824
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Comic Duos can work. Mariah and Kapri and Gem and Gemma are some of my all-time favourite characters. They work because they actually bring something to the narrative and they also aren't one note. With the Saban Brands duos, it's the same gags repeated again and again.

Ben and Betty are probably the best of the Saban Brands duo, as they are more endearing than annoying. And they have been shown to create things that are somewhat useful. But they still suffer from being one-note. They also undermind GB as there's little reason for a large organisation such as GB to tolerate their bumbling and worse still employ them in a wide range of roles ranging from security to tech.

Ben and Betty would have worked so much better if they had Nate's role and were the ones who invented Morph-x. That would give GB a plausible excuse for putting up with their bumbling moments. And because they were inventing stuff, they would have something more to offer than one note gags. They could have made them less like Victory and Monty and more like Kat and Boom. (Kat and Boom weren't strictly a comedy duo. But Kat did like to mess with Boom and for Ben and Betty they could have leaned in more to this playful side of Kat).
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Old April 3rd, 2019, 02:25 AM #2825
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GokaiGold wrote: View Post

That's random. Why would CW be a fix? A network with no connection to Power Rangers. Back in 2002 The WB (CW's predecessor) wanted Power Rangers bad. As we know it didn't happen. CW had no problem running Lost Galaxy a dark season if you will. They would have no problem running a dark theme season unlike Nick, who has softened there shows.



They have and always will appeal to the demographic in some way. There's a difference between over 7 and Under 7 (Which is what the show is currently aiming for)



Don't get how that logic works. When the show is pretty much made in the same time frame anyway. It being aired over two years doesn't effect the tone of the stories they write. Because if you watch the first half, you're bound to watch the second half. It makes sense. Also, having 40 episodes means they have more to lose in a year as opposed to two. If you have 40 episodes of a show in one year (double the standard) you want to make sure that extra timeslot is worth it. Not to mention the "super" seasons are usually worse off than the regular ones.



Bruh. Who is writing letters? They already see what we say on social media.
Letters are much more formal than writing posts on social media. This also goes for emails as well.
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Old April 3rd, 2019, 02:43 AM #2826
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Letters are much more formal than writing posts on social media. This also goes for emails as well.
That doesn't explain how that makes them more valid than simple social media posts. Letters and emails are privately sent whereas posts on social media are public. Public engagement is easier for people who wouldn't normally write an email or letter, and its publicity means the company can accurately measure just how many people care rather than counting X-number of letters sent.

Like, there's a reason people use social media more nowadays than just writing emails or letters. It's a collective call for the entity to do something and the fans are effectively saying "ball's in your court." They're more under-pressure to respond to that than quietly swiping a bunch of letters and emails under the rug when they're the only ones reading them. If the company or group doesn't react, it risks making them look bad.

And as mentioned, Hasbro knows what we're saying and talking about already. The company is known for reading online communities to gauge reactions and (rarely nowadays) directly posting to those communities to explain things.
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Old April 3rd, 2019, 10:42 AM #2827
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Comic Duos can work. Mariah and Kapri and Gem and Gemma are some of my all-time favourite characters.
I guess I never really considered any of them to be comedic duos, since they had an actual function in the show. Marah and Kapri were the villain's generals, similar in status to Goldar or Ecliptor, they just happened to be kind of ditzy. Gem and Gemma were Rangers with over-the-top personalities and poor social skills.

Ben and Betty, or any of the other Neo-Saban duos, are completely unnecessary to the story and bring nothing of value.

Sure, Ben and Betty are better than Victor and Monty, but that's not really saying anything. And I think that's one of the bigger problems with how many fans are viewing Beast Morphers. It's "better than Neo-Saban." They look at the tiny, incremental improvements over Samurai, Megaforce, and Ninja Steel and proclaim the show to be the best it's been in years, whereas someone coming in fresh looks at it and still thinks it's pretty corny.

Totally anecdotally, my brother is something of a lapsed PR fan. He grew up on MMPR-Space, same as I did, and he still likes the franchise overall, but he only checks in on the current show once every few years or so. Some seasons he likes and sticks with, others not so much. His Twitter feed, like many of ours, was flooded with gushing praise for BM when it premiered, so he checked it out, and he was really baffled as to what the big deal was. To him, it wasn't anything special, and wasn't noticeably better than the shows he decided not to keep up with. Things like, "There's more unmorphed fights," "there's less reliance on Sentai footage," "the bumbling comedic duo isn't quite as off-putting as last year's bumbling comedic duo" don't matter unless you're looking for direct comparisons. Taken on the whole, so far, BM hasn't shown itself to be that much better than any Neo-Saban production.
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Old April 3rd, 2019, 10:52 AM #2828
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They're more under-pressure to respond to that than quietly swiping a bunch of letters and emails under the rug when they're the only ones reading them.
That said, many claim that physical letters have to be thrown away, so they're not as easily ignored when you go down that route.
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Old April 3rd, 2019, 10:59 AM #2829
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It's almost like it's the exact same production team or something. Of course it's not going to be radically different. That's why I'm considering the idea of waiting until Hasbro starts actually putting their own people on the project, since that's likely when the most changes or improvements will happen, if at all.
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Old April 3rd, 2019, 11:07 AM #2830
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Ben and Betty would have worked so much better if they had Nate's role and were the ones who invented Morph-x. That would give GB a plausible excuse for putting up with their bumbling moments. And because they were inventing stuff, they would have something more to offer than one note gags. They could have made them less like Victory and Monty and more like Kat and Boom. (Kat and Boom weren't strictly a comedy duo. But Kat did like to mess with Boom and for Ben and Betty they could have leaned in more to this playful side of Kat).
This is such a great idea! You also reminded me just how great Kat and Boom were in retrospect. They served a ton of narrative purpose, provided comic relief, and were well-developed characters in their own right. Kat got several moments to shine where she butted heads with Doggie (and even got to be a very unique Ranger) and Boom proved several times that he was more than a simple goofball (the finale speech he gives was excellent).

I doubt we'll get something that substantial from Ben and Betty, but here's hoping!
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Old April 3rd, 2019, 11:25 AM #2831
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That's why I'm considering the idea of waiting until Hasbro starts actually putting their own people on the project,
They did already.

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They look at the tiny, incremental improvements over Samurai, Megaforce, and Ninja Steel and proclaim the show to be the best it's been in years, whereas someone coming in fresh looks at it and still thinks it's pretty corny.
Of course someone who comes in fresh is going to have a different perspective than fans who watch every season. The show could completely and someone can watch it and still think it's "corny".

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Sure, Ben and Betty are better than Victor and Monty, but that's not really saying anything. And I think that's one of the bigger problems with how many fans are viewing Beast Morphers. It's "better than Neo-Saban." They look at the tiny, incremental improvements over Samurai, Megaforce, and Ninja Steel and proclaim the show to be the best it's been in years
Nah, they're pretty significant improvements that aren't tiny or hard to see. It's not perfect of course, but from the effort in storytelling, the music, the production itself there are very clear signs of improvement. Now, doesn't mean you'll automatically like the show still, but see nothing wrong with fans seeing that strides are being made and enjoying what is happening so far. The same thing happened during Dino Charge. Let's hope a DSC doesn't happen though.

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That said, many claim that physical letters have to be thrown away, so they're not as easily ignored when you go down that route.
In the same vein though, a physical letter has a higher chance of never being read or even getting to anyone who'd be able to be affected by it in the first place. A digital public interaction like social media is easy for them to see, and to see how they react.

Most letters that get mailed to a production company are generally thrown out or sorted by interns in the first place. It's a high chance they'd be instructed to never give their higher ups those kinds of letters and to just shred or boilerplate respond to them

Formality is nice, but irrelevant to the point of contacting Hasbro in this scenario. It's quantity, not quality, that gets that job done.
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Old April 3rd, 2019, 01:04 PM #2833
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And I think that's one of the bigger problems with how many fans are viewing Beast Morphers. It's "better than Neo-Saban." They look at the tiny, incremental improvements over Samurai, Megaforce, and Ninja Steel and proclaim the show to be the best it's been in years
Like GokaiGold said, not all the improvements are tiny.

The cockpit weapon is only on screen for a few seconds and it's not a long drawn out finisher.
There's actual build up and foreshadowing, we have stuff that doesn't just appear out of nowhere.
We get actual explanations for stuff outside of "The magic ninja crystal made it" or "It's alien"
The acting for the most part is step up.
The comedy duo have actual purpose and we don't cut away from the real story to go see what they're doing.
Characters have actual problems, not just problems of the week.
They stopped talking constantly during the fight scenes.

Those aren't minor changes, those are noticeable and make the show better. You don't have to like it, and I'll admit it's not perfect. We don't need cockpit weapons or a comedy duo. But the improvements aren't tiny.

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Old April 3rd, 2019, 01:13 PM #2834
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Dropping the comedic duos would automatically improve the shows.
Dropping Comedic Duos is not a guarantee to make seasons better at all. The writing is what makes a series good or bad mostly. You drop Ben and Betty, cool, fine. If the writing is bad though, dropping them doesn't fix that automatically whatsoever
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Dropping Comedic Duos is not a guarantee to make seasons better at all. The writing is what makes a series good or bad mostly.
I dunno. If they got rid of Ben & Betty I wouldn't have to manually skip through all the scenes they're in, and that's definitely an improvement in my book.
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I dunno. If they got rid of Ben & Betty I wouldn't have to manually skip through all the scenes they're in, and that's definitely an improvement in my book.
Well, at least there isn't too much time to skip. V&M would take half of the episode if you skipped them
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Well, at least there isn't too much time to skip. V&M would take half of the episode if you skipped them
Oh, sure. There's no denying that the show and its problems are being addressed. It's just that Ben & Betty are still pretty goddamn unbearable and their absence would make the show more watchable.
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i don't feel Power Rangers will ever become quote "dark and gritty" again, HOWEVER that doesn't mean we can't get at least better writing. there's a reason why the comics are doing way better than new seasons, its not because of nostalgia but has to do with telling good stories! i mean i would love serious storylines be brought back to the seasons, but i think that starts with hiring new and younger writers. not ones that can do comedy well either, but ones that can think of clever ways of altering the plot of their sentai counterparts.
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its not because of nostalgia but has to do with telling good stories! .
Which they do by not being beholden to existing footage or writing for an audience of children...
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Old April 3rd, 2019, 07:44 PM #2840
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Dropping Comedic Duos is not a guarantee to make seasons better at all.
Take Ninja Steel and edit out all the Victor and Monty scenes. Take Samurai and edit out all the Bulk and Spike scenes. Those shows would already be vastly improved. It's hard to say that dropping comedic duos wouldn't automatically increase the quality of the show when you could literally take the show as it is, edit out the comedic duo scenes, and the show would be better as a result. They'd by no means be perfect, or bring the show back up to the quality of its heyday, but at least audiences wouldn't have to cringe their way through several minutes of pointless scenes with no real bearing on the plot in every episode.

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The comedy duo have actual purpose and we don't cut away from the real story to go see what they're doing.
Yeah, Ben and Betty
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Like GokaiGold said, not all the improvements are tiny.

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Those aren't minor changes, those are noticeable and make the show better. You don't have to like it, and I'll admit it's not perfect. We don't need cockpit weapons or a comedy duo. But the improvements aren't tiny.
I guess we disagree on what is or is not minor in the overall scheme of things. I think pretty much everything you listed is a minor improvement. And, as I said before, it's only noticeable to people who are looking to make an optimistic comparison to the last few years.
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