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Old September 6th, 2018, 06:22 AM #201
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Yes, they know someone named Zi-O begins in 2018, but do they know for sure that that's him inside the suit in 2068? Could they have the wrong person if all they hear is an older man's voice? At some point in the season they're going to have to show what happened once Zi-O finished his heroic journey through all 20 Riders that we expect of him. In the fifty intervening years, anything could have changed that contradicts our expectations.

I remember in the original Decade finale broadcast, Yuusuke became Ultimate Kuuga as a power granted or awakened within him by Kivala. But they seemed to abandon that in the director's cut. What if Oma Zi-O is just that, an evil manipulation of Zi-O who had always been intended a noble hero? If Oma Zi-O only turns out to be his ultimate form, or a "Destroyer" form like Violet Emotion Decade, it's cutting pretty close to repetition.
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Old September 6th, 2018, 06:29 AM #202
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Oma Zi-O is some kind of cynical future Zi-O rather than just some unrelated pretender.
You just made me think of it like Goku, and Goku Black. Maybe not possesed by a God (or maybe is), but is a possible future that can be fought against, and destroyed.
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Old September 6th, 2018, 07:28 AM #203
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So does the Time Mazin have the ability to cross dimensions? When it went back to Build's past it was on the earth where Build was separate from other Kamen Rider's.
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Old September 6th, 2018, 07:33 AM #204
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Sento merged timelines. Now we have main 2017 and Build's 2017 which can be accessed as some kind of "anomaly". Sougo got kicked from timestream and ended up being there. It's simple.
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What if Oma Zi-O is just that, an evil manipulation of Zi-O who had always been intended a noble hero? If Oma Zi-O only turns out to be his ultimate form, or a "Destroyer" form like Violet Emotion Decade, it's cutting pretty close to repetition.
It won't be repetition because the actual plot that would be repeated (the second Decade from the original final episode teaser or Dark Decade from Climax Heroes which was a purely negative "destroyer" character that represented Decade's past self and could be faced by the heroic Decade as a final enemy) was never actually featured in the show or movies.

We could have Zi-O both changing his future and promising to follow a different path and physically defeating Oma Zi-O.
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So does the Time Mazin have the ability to cross dimensions? When it went back to Build's past it was on the earth where Build was separate from other Kamen Rider's.
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Old September 6th, 2018, 09:18 PM #207
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Well all the promo material does say stuff like "crossing time AND space".
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Old September 7th, 2018, 06:57 AM #208
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I'd imagine that as the Time Mazine is going back in time, once it hits the point that the worlds merged, there might be a fork in the timestream of sorts and they could go either way. Though as has been pointed out, they didn't go to Build's world on purpose, they were hit and knocked off course, which probably has more to do with it.

Something I noticed on rewatch: Tsukuyomi is oddly clean and put-together, as though she stopped at a pre-apocalypse-but-still-future time on her way to 2018 and went shopping at Future-Gap. It's probably nothing, especially since we see 2068 footage-- if the only thing we saw of 2068 was her description, I might wonder if the future is much different than she's describing (because it doesn't look like there's room for a shower in the Time Mazine), but it's probably safer to trust that the future is as presented.

Though speaking of her description, the camera sure seems to focus on the dude protecting her who gets vaporized, he stands out in a way that makes me think he'll be important.

Also-- the opening has a brief scene of Tsukuyomi surrounded by the Time Jackers, makes me wonder if she's connected to them somehow, maybe a defector? I don't take openings too literally (don't think the riders are trapped in the statues, for instance), but there has been some symbolism/foreshadowing in the opening before-- I think the Ex-Aid opening connected Emu to Parad long before the show itself ever did.
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There's always foreshadowing, and definitely something up with her. I also think it's fun that a character named after a moon goddess wields the new Faiz Phone (as Takumi was the Wolf Orphenoch.)
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Old September 7th, 2018, 07:05 AM #210
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Tsukuyomi is oddly clean and put-together, as though she stopped at a pre-apocalypse-but-still-future time on her way to 2018 and went shopping at Future-Gap. It's probably nothing, especially since we see 2068 footage-- if the only thing we saw of 2068 was her description, I might wonder if the future is much different than she's describing (because it doesn't look like there's room for a shower in the Time Mazine), but it's probably safer to trust that the future is as presented.
It's not that deep. They just want the actress to look clean & pretty most of the show. Same reason Geiz cleaned up when he appeared.
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Old September 7th, 2018, 07:17 AM #211
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Plot twist: Sougo's uncle was in love with his mum and Ohma Zi-O came from a timeline where they are Sougo's parents.
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Old September 7th, 2018, 07:23 AM #212
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Plot twist:

Tsukuyomi will pull a Kyle Reese and destiny makes her the mother of Sougo
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Old September 7th, 2018, 08:25 AM #213
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Plot Twist:

Evil Zi-O was actually an impostor. The real future Sougo was more a lot nicer. That could be interesting.
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Old September 7th, 2018, 09:17 AM #214
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No that could be really boring, and I really hope they don't take that route. We already had that with Drive and in the end no one cared about future Krim once it turned out it wasn't really Krim.
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Old September 7th, 2018, 09:22 AM #215
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Watching Sougo resist turning evil throughout the series would be a genuinely engaging dynamic but I don't think they'll treat us to something that good.
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Man... why'd you have to say that? Now I want that lol!

No really, that could be an amazing overarching arc... the stronger he gets the more pull the evil is... so occasionally he just breaks loose and goes on a rampage. Or he subtly starts doing weird things.
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Old September 7th, 2018, 10:10 AM #217
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A bit like Kouta in Gaim. He wants to use his powers only to help people, but the more he uses it the faster he turns into something evil and loses his will. So when do you use your power, or not, to resist your fate, and when are you forced to move toward it because people in the present needed you? Decade could give him a few pointers on that too.
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Old September 7th, 2018, 10:12 AM #218
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Hell, Sento or Godai could give him some advice there.
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Old September 7th, 2018, 10:29 AM #219
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The pit falls of being a Kamen Rider. Start to use the powers and face the consequences/curse later.

-You could eventually blow up
-Succumb to evil urges brought on by continuous use
-Sacrifice something to keep on transforming
-Fade away in bright glittery fashion.
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Old September 7th, 2018, 10:38 AM #220
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Imagine if Tsukuyomi is only telling him a half-truth, that the reason he destroys the world in the future is because they know he lost his humanity, he turned into the Oma, and they weren't able to stop him. And what she didn't tell him was that his putting on the belt in the present means now she'll be forced to try to kill him, for his own sake as much as everyone else's, if he doesn't stop before he completely loses control.

All she told Sougo was "This is you in the future." She didn't tell him how he becomes it, only that he shouldn't.
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