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Old September 25th, 2013, 11:52 AM #41
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I loved Birds of Prey. It proved that a lower-stakes Batman live-action series without Batman could work, ...
It was cancelled after 13 episodes, you may have liked it but it didn't work as far as finding an audience was concerned.

And while Gotham Central was a very good comic, it was also a failure and sold like crap. That should be a warning, if not even the Batman comic fans were really interested in the Gotham City PD, will a similar idea on TV catch on?
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Note that everyone keeps calling it "Gotham Central", but that wasn't part of the pitch idea nor the current talk from those in charge of it. While an amazing comic and I hope they take aspects from it, it wasn't any more a factor or influence in this idea than the comic Man of Steel origin was to Man Of Steal the movie.
We're not calling it Gotham Central, we're arguing the premise SHOULD be more like Gotham Central.
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And while Gotham Central was a very good comic, it was also a failure and sold like crap. That should be a warning, if not even the Batman comic fans were really interested in the Gotham City PD, will a similar idea on TV catch on?
Comics are a different medium. The Cop genre is popular on television, whereas it isn't so much in comics. Gotham Central would be the perfect DC television show, and DC's resistance to just do that baffles me slightly. Gotham just seems like an attempt to do it, without really committing to the idea, possibly just being like the later seasons of Smallville (which tried to advance the Superman Mythology while refusing to go to the next logical step of actually having Superman).
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I have always wanted a Batman Noir TV series that is set in the late 30's telling the origins of that OG Batman and his Rouges.


I think it could work now and would not throw off the new Batman film series.
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Wow... Warner Bros must be desperate.....
Gotham Central was talked about for development as a TV show for about a decade now, but was stopped in its tracks because apparently Nolan had a stipulation that while he was working on the movies, Batman couldn't be live action anywhere else. Not to mention the failure of Birds of Prey scared them off this line of thought. Their time to announce this obviously wasn't coincidental, but it's not wholly reactionary to Marvel. They now have a good opportunity to finally develop this kind of an idea, so they're taking it. With the Nolan movies done now and Birds of Prey a decade forgotten in the past, now is just a good time to do it.

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This series is a horrible idea that I really think will flop. It's called Gotham and features James Gordon and Batman's rogue gallery but not Batman? What they're doing is "Batman" without Batman, the audience will be constantly reminded that Batman isn't there and that's not a good thing.
My guess is that Batman will show up in the show in time, assuming it doesn't get canceled too early. Probably not as a real character, but as a force that's felt throughout the show, maybe only seen in shadow if at all. His presence could even be felt without ever even saying his name, with only occasional mentions of an urban legend or mysterious aid during the investigations that no one can explain. Smallville dodged their inability to use Batman or Wonder Woman in a few ways, so maybe they could do similarly if legal rights are the reason for keeping him out. They could just imply Batman without ever showing or talking about it.

And I'm not expecting the big boys from the rogues gallery. It'll probably be mostly the organized crime dudes like Maroni or Falcone. Maybe we'll see the Red Hood gang or someone relatively "small" like Zsasz. Don't expect to see Gordon facing off against Ra's al Ghul, Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Bane, etc.
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Filming to start in March and Bats will be a regular....as a ten year old kid

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Filming to start in March and Bats will be a regular....as a ten year old kid

http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/12/07...in-march-2014/
What the hell is the point of having a 10 year old Bruce? This isn't a good idea at all. No if it was series final and the Wayne murder happens its something that is fine but as for a series regular it doesn't work.
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Oh, that's just baiting. Next thing, he'll dress up with an R on his chest for some dumb reason.

Though, I'd geek out if he dressed up for Halloween as the Grey Ghost.
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I'd imagine the murder of the Wayne's would happen either in the pilot, or done as a sweeps episode. Maybe they'll have Bruce and James Gordon Jr. be best friends and have them do the Clark/Lex friendship that turns sour before Bruce takes off to start his training to become Batman.
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What the hell is the point of having a 10 year old Bruce? This isn't a good idea at all. No if it was series final and the Wayne murder happens its something that is fine but as for a series regular it doesn't work.
Actually that sounds like an interesting take on it. Young Bruce trying to put his faith in the justice system because Jim Gordon exemplifies what's best in it, proving he has a lot of the skills required to be a terrific police officer (perhaps the best deductive mind in the world, commitment, dedication etc) but gradually realising that his mission for justice has to take a different direction.
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Will this mean Wayne Manor will be a fixture and we'll have textbook examples of "Lex Luthor Security/Swiss Cheese Security" going on?
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Actually that sounds like an interesting take on it. Young Bruce trying to put his faith in the justice system because Jim Gordon exemplifies what's best in it, proving he has a lot of the skills required to be a terrific police officer (perhaps the best deductive mind in the world, commitment, dedication etc) but gradually realising that his mission for justice has to take a different direction.
Then Alfred is the worst guardian ever if his ten year old ward is off and hanging out in a police station. It would be better if he as a teenager but a 10 year old? Or you flip it around and have Gordon hanging out with a 10 year old boy yeah that isn't creepy at all. If Bruce was 5 years older that is all it would make more sense. Teenage rebellion him being obsessed with justice and learning ho to be a cop and wanting to be a cop only for him to realize ho corrupt the system is and Gordon is the only cop how isn't corrupted. That would make sense but for a 10 year old Bruce Wayne following around a cop its just wrong.
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My thinking was exactly that. It's not a horrible idea for Bruce to be a part of the show, but I do feel like he needs to be at least a teenager for it to really work. He's old enough to sort of understand what's really going on, but still young enough that you're not constantly thinking "When is he finally gonna start training to become Batman??"
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My thinking was exactly that. It's not a horrible idea for Bruce to be a part of the show, but I do feel like he needs to be at least a teenager for it to really work. He's old enough to sort of understand what's really going on, but still young enough that you're not constantly thinking "When is he finally gonna start training to become Batman??"
A teenaged Bruce starting to learn martial arts to be a cop makes a lot of sense. Then his dream of justice is shattered and turns it towards something else.
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Then Alfred is the worst guardian ever if his ten year old ward is off and hanging out in a police station. It would be better if he as a teenager but a 10 year old?
Why not? and Jim Gordon being one of the few people to actually show him compassion for his loss, and at the same time not treating him like mindless kid, would be a perfect example of Bruce desperately looking for a father figure, and the gradual drifting apart as he got older.

It's been noted too many times to count that Bruce stopped being an ordinary kid the night his parents were murdered so applying the normal rules to him doesn't really work. From that night be became obsessed with his mission, even if he wan't entirely sure what his mission would be at that point.

Personally, I'd find the teenager bit weirder since it would be years after the murder of his parents, so his hanging around the Police Station would seem rather forced, whereas if he's a ten year old who Jim, said "Feel free to to drop by anytime" to at one point, would take him up on it until he pretty much ingratiated himself into the place.

And Alfred IS the worst guardian ever in real life terms. Not only allowing young Bruce to wallow in isolation for years, but also to sanction the Robin's, underage kids running around in flimsy costumes against psychopaths?

Or you flip it around and have Gordon hanging out with a 10 year old boy yeah that isn't creepy at all.
Frankly, a Police Officer (and one with kids of his own) forming an emotional bond with an orphaned kid whose parents he respected isn't creepy at all.
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Why not? and Jim Gordon being one of the few people to actually show him compassion for his loss, and at the same time not treating him like mindless kid, would be a perfect example of Bruce desperately looking for a father figure, and the gradual drifting apart as he got older.

It's been noted too many times to count that Bruce stopped being an ordinary kid the night his parents were murdered so applying the normal rules to him doesn't really work. From that night be became obsessed with his mission, even if he wan't entirely sure what his mission would be at that point.

Personally, I'd find the teenager bit weirder since it would be years after the murder of his parents, so his hanging around the Police Station would seem rather forced, whereas if he's a ten year old who Jim, said "Feel free to to drop by anytime" to at one point, would take him up on it until he pretty much ingratiated himself into the place.

And Alfred IS the worst guardian ever in real life terms. Not only allowing young Bruce to wallow in isolation for years, but also to sanction the Robin's, underage kids running around in flimsy costumes against psychopaths?



Frankly, a Police Officer (and one with kids of his own) forming an emotional bond with an orphaned kid whose parents he respected isn't creepy at all.
Alfred was Bruce's guardian he isn't the Robins. Also yes Alfred does suck at being a parent. Which is why I like the recent Batman Earth 1 where Alfred just sucks as a guardian.

Also Gordon shouldn't have kids if Bruce is 10 babs isn't alive yet and maybe we can cram James in there but that is pushing. Actually that is the only way young Bruce can work at all in this story. If James is there and Gordon takes him to hang out with Bruce because he needs a friend. Don't know how that will fit into the grand scheme of cop drama but its the only way for a 10 year old Bruce to work for me.

A teenage Bruce creates drama because of rebellion. He's old enough to start figuring things out for himself but still stubborn enough to go against authority figures. He can also be be naive into how the system works. So on one hand you have a teenager going out and investigating crimes and turning out to be a very good detective. Yet he's not a cop and Gordon realizes he's a asset. This allows for the two to gather a bond. Also a reason for Bruce to be there a lot amateur detective who only Gordon talks to. So you could have Bruce go from naive towards the system because of Gordon only for the series to progress and the system failing. The series final can have Bruce leave Gotham with a flash forward in time with him becoming Batman.
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Alfred was Bruce's guardian he isn't the Robins.
He's a responsible adult who lives in the same place as Bruce and Dick/Jason/Tim/Damian, he acts as a de facto guardian.

Also Gordon shouldn't have kids if Bruce is 10 babs isn't alive yet
She pretty much would be. If Bruce becomes Batman in his mid twenties, then that would make Babs at most 15 when he starts, given some variations on her age when seh becmae Batgirl, that works out well (She was originally about 10 years older than Dick Grayson, for example, having completed her Masters and earning a position as Head Librarian at Gotham City Central Library before she first put the cowl on)

and maybe we can cram James in there but that is pushing. Actually that is the only way young Bruce can work at all in this story. If James is there and Gordon takes him to hang out with Bruce because he needs a friend. Don't know how that will fit into the grand scheme of cop drama but its the only way for a 10 year old Bruce to work for me.
You could work it that Mrs Gordon has vanished off with James Jr after the divorce and a slightly lonely Jim starts looking on Bruce as a surrogate son

A teenage Bruce creates drama because of rebellion. He's old enough to start figuring things out for himself but still stubborn enough to go against authority figures. He can also be be naive into how the system works. So on one hand you have a teenager going out and investigating crimes and turning out to be a very good detective. Yet he's not a cop and Gordon realizes he's a asset. This allows for the two to gather a bond. Also a reason for Bruce to be there a lot amateur detective who only Gordon talks to. So you could have Bruce go from naive towards the system because of Gordon only for the series to progress and the system failing. The series final can have Bruce leave Gotham with a flash forward in time with him becoming Batman.
Yeah, that could work.
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Alfred was Bruce's guardian he isn't the Robins. Also yes Alfred does suck at being a parent. Which is why I like the recent Batman Earth 1 where Alfred just sucks as a guardian.

Also Gordon shouldn't have kids if Bruce is 10 babs isn't alive yet and maybe we can cram James in there but that is pushing. Actually that is the only way young Bruce can work at all in this story. If James is there and Gordon takes him to hang out with Bruce because he needs a friend. Don't know how that will fit into the grand scheme of cop drama but its the only way for a 10 year old Bruce to work for me.

A teenage Bruce creates drama because of rebellion. He's old enough to start figuring things out for himself but still stubborn enough to go against authority figures. He can also be be naive into how the system works. So on one hand you have a teenager going out and investigating crimes and turning out to be a very good detective. Yet he's not a cop and Gordon realizes he's a asset. This allows for the two to gather a bond. Also a reason for Bruce to be there a lot amateur detective who only Gordon talks to. So you could have Bruce go from naive towards the system because of Gordon only for the series to progress and the system failing. The series final can have Bruce leave Gotham with a flash forward in time with him becoming Batman.
Its a show about Gordon. Why do we need to see Bruce become Bats?
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Its a show about Gordon. Why do we need to see Bruce become Bats?
You miss the point of that. I don't even want Bruce to be apart of the show. I as just pointing out that if he had to be apart of the show then there is a logical progression you can go with. The main character would be Gordon but if your going to have Bruce as a regular cast member then moving him forward at the end of the series makes sense.
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Its a show about Gordon. Why do we need to see Bruce become Bats?
I love this, because it speaks to how all-encompassing Batman would become by Bruce Wayne's name even being mentioned, let alone featured as a supporting character.

Just leave him out of this. We have a thousand Batman series, let Gordon have one thing. Please.
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