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Old May 17th, 2019, 06:06 PM #261
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They should take a look at the Wonder Woman properties [both the Lynda Carter series and the Gal Gadot movie] there was none of that "Look a Female Superhero!! Isn't she great!!" stuff [and God willing the Gal Gadot sequel won't have this] Wonder Woman was a Superhero. That was it.
Like... there is an entire section in the movie about Wonder Woman being shunned by men in WWI London for not acting lady like and being treated as a secretary. And really Wonder Woman by name (and her legacy) is already pushing that female angle forward. They don't mention it because this specific superhero doesn't require it and just exudes the female angle from iconography alone.

You have Batwoman who is absolutely going to be seeing blow back because she's a female Batman regardless of how they framed this trailer. She's slipping into a spot that has never been occupied by a woman on such a large scale. Is that going to result in some clunkers of dialogue? Absolutely, but that's the problem of taking such myopic looks at lines of dialogue in a trailer. You're going to zero in on these lines like they matter when you absolutely no they're not. You know they're trailer fodder, but it's going to color your perception of the show because you intended it to from the beginning.
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Old May 17th, 2019, 07:05 PM #262
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Well, it looks like the trailer made a lot of people rage.
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This is my problem with this, Capt. Marvel, GB 2016 and the current Star Wars trilogy. They're all trying to act like they're the first one to do a Female Protagonist [even though its been done plenty of times before] so they're acting like they're breaking a mythical glass ceiling that's long been broken.
And yet the stigma remains.

We're going to keep being reminded until we stop the dismissive behavior. A billion female protagonists mean nothing if we still disrespect women in real life.
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And yet the stigma remains.

We're going to keep being reminded until we stop the dismissive behavior. A billion female protagonists mean nothing if we still disrespect women in real life.
There are always going to be douchebags no matter what. I think most us of us at least try to be respectful.
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There are always going to be douchebags no matter what. I think most us of us at least try to be respectful.
You'd think that, and then the pay gap gets exposed in every conceivable field of employment.

#TimesUp doesn't exist for no reason.
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Old May 18th, 2019, 05:01 PM #266
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Saw the trailer... doesnít look all that impressive just makes me think of another typical cw dc show.

I agree that the dialogue was pretty bad. I donít even think the trailer itself sets it up well.
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Old May 18th, 2019, 05:13 PM #267
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Yikes at the amount of dislikes for the trailer. I dont know what to make of the trailer to be honest. Some corny dialogue. A lot of emphasis on girl power too.
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Old May 18th, 2019, 05:20 PM #268
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Maybe itís our toku heritage but I just realized that the Batman suit is just the batwoman suit with a stomach/crotch piece added.

It wouldnít be bad if it werenít for the lady lumps. Iíve seen better kitbashes

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Old May 18th, 2019, 05:57 PM #269
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It wouldnít be bad if it werenít for the lady lumps
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Don't really see why there's all the hate for the trailer, it's fine. I mean aside from a couple 'men suck, women rule' jabs, I thought it was fine. I'm not jumping out of my seat for it, but yeah I'll still check it out and hope it's entertaining. Also hope they don't copy Charmed with the man-hating. Though I will say they could've plunked Curtis from Arrow in Luke's role and it looks like you'd have the same character...
Charmed in its later years had the problem that the male characters were often more likable (well, less dislikeable, usually) than the lead cast, at the very least since they could often ham it up or otherwise exaggerate they were more entertaining. Meanwhile the sisters had been running on 'Saving the world is such a drag' for about 5 seasons by then and it had more than got old.

I don't remember any attempts to boost the sisters' popularity by messing up the men though other than perhaps benching Leo in the final series, but while that did give Piper some much needed motivation I thought the main reason was that the actor was busy doing something else?

Batwoman shouldn't have that particular likeability problem nearly as badly however because if nothing else as a costumed persona she could exaggerate things too.

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Yeah, as much as I am legitimately looking forward to this, and while the "girls rule, boys drool" kinda of lines are 99.928836% probably in jest, they are so dumb that the 90s called, they DONT want those lines, their one liners were better.
'Boys drool', really? I expect Kate to be all 'girls rule' but comics-Kate at least never seemed to think about men enough to bother slagging them off. I mean, the only one she seemed to interact with on anything resembling an ongoing basis was her father. Most of the other men she meets are all the thugs she's stopping, and in that case the taunting is justified (remember, when taunting you don't go with what you believe, you go with what will infuriate your target the most).

Luckily the trailer didn't really give me that impression.

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I feel like people are rather overstating the feminist lines. There aren't that many, and this is only one trailer. I'll give it a change once it's actually out (radical position, I know).
It seems the sanist position to me. I like speculating, but not writing something off solely on the back of it.

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Its still stupid and cringe worthy.

This is my problem with this, Capt. Marvel, GB 2016 and the current Star Wars trilogy. They're all trying to act like they're the first one to do a Female Protagonist [even though its been done plenty of times before] so they're acting like they're breaking a mythical glass ceiling that's long been broken.
GB 2016? The only thing I can think of with those initials right now is Go Busters and even if I didn't think that was wrong already I think was a different year.

And Star Wars? Nothing in the promotion made me think they were pushing having a female 'lead' as a big thing. It was marketed as 'Look at how awesome our new character is, we hope you like her' (the 'awesomeness' part was also an issue with the full films so 'Yay!' for accurate adverts I guess) but that's not the same thing.

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You have Batwoman who is absolutely going to be seeing blow back because she's a female Batman regardless of how they framed this trailer. She's slipping into a spot that has never been occupied by a woman on such a large scale. Is that going to result in some clunkers of dialogue? Absolutely, but that's the problem of taking such myopic looks at lines of dialogue in a trailer. You're going to zero in on these lines like they matter when you absolutely no they're not. You know they're trailer fodder, but it's going to color your perception of the show because you intended it to from the beginning.
That is true at least, Batwoman will always be seen as a knock off Batman and they are going to have to deal with that as best they can. For a hopefully humorous example of this someone I spoke to the other day was rather surprised to find out she had her wedding cancelled before they even thought of doing that with Bruce because to him is was almost inconceivable that Kate could be ahead of him in anything. But at least he knew Bruce and Kate were different characters (Kate and Barbara on the other hand not so much), there are going to a lot of people going into Batwoman who have never heard that name before.

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Old May 20th, 2019, 05:39 PM #271
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Charmed in its later years had the problem that the male characters were often more likable (well, less dislikeable, usually) than the lead cast, at the very least since they could often ham it up or otherwise exaggerate they were more entertaining. Meanwhile the sisters had been running on 'Saving the world is such a drag' for about 5 seasons by then and it had more than got old.

I don't remember any attempts to boost the sisters' popularity by messing up the men though other than perhaps benching Leo in the final series, but while that did give Piper some much needed motivation I thought the main reason was that the actor was busy doing something else?
Guess I could've been more clear, I meant the current Charmed series, not the original.
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Guess I could've been more clear, I meant the current Charmed series, not the original.
Ah, I forgot that was a thing. I always meant to check it out and always forgot. Is it really that bad?
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Old May 20th, 2019, 06:47 PM #273
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Ah, I forgot that was a thing. I always meant to check it out and always forgot. Is it really that bad?
It's not bad exactly, just has some faults. Check it out sometime. The season just ended, no doubt it'll show up on Netflix or something.
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Also by GB i think they meant Ghostbusters, so close to GoBusters but not exactly, lol
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You'd think that, and then the pay gap gets exposed in every conceivable field of employment.

#TimesUp doesn't exist for no reason.
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What a waste of a post.
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He's not wrong, though. And I doubt this is the place to discuss that.
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What a waste of a post.
harsh man. It isn't your place to judge what is or isn't a "waste of a post."
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It's not bad exactly, just has some faults. Check it out sometime. The season just ended, no doubt it'll show up on Netflix or something.
Ah good. For all its many flaws I liked the old one.

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Also by GB i think they meant Ghostbusters, so close to GoBusters but not exactly, lol
That would make more sense.
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