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Old September 30th, 2013, 10:21 AM #101
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I know the whole story behind Hibiki's creation and the production struggles. How bad was Hibiki's performance?

I've heard that Kabuto was intentionally created to toss back in all of the traditional KR elements: heavy on the tech, heavy on the bugs, lots of introspection, etc. Did its performance pull KR back from whatever void was left by Hibiki, or was that really Den-O's doing?
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I know the whole story behind Hibiki's creation and the production struggles. How bad was Hibiki's performance?
Here's the average ratings from Kuuga to Fourze, ranked from greatest to least.

01. Agito 11.7%
02. Kuuga 9.7%
03. Ryuki 9.4%
04. Faiz 9.3%
05. Hibiki 8.2%
06. (tie) Decade and W 8.0%
08. Blade 7.9%
09. Kabuto 7.7%
10. (tie) Den-O and OOO 6.9%
12. Kiva 6.2%
13. Fourze 5.8%

So yeah, Hibiki did pretty well, while Den-O is actually one of the worst-rated of the Heisei series. My best guess is that Hibiki's toy sales were crap, while Den-O's were through the roof.
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But is there always an inverse relation between toy success and show success? Does this scale imply that Kiva and Fourze were considered very good shows to watch even though they didn't sell a lot?

I just wonder how much of Kabuto brought Kamen Rider out of the Hibiki struggle, or whether the success was really attributed to Den-O and Kabuto wasn't received as the springboard recovery it was meant to be.
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But is there always an inverse relation between toy success and show success? Does this scale imply that Kiva and Fourze were considered very good shows to watch even though they didn't sell a lot?

I just wonder how much of Kabuto brought Kamen Rider out of the Hibiki struggle, or whether the success was really attributed to Den-O and Kabuto wasn't received as the springboard recovery it was meant to be.
Just to be clear: the numbers I posted had nothing to do with toy sales. They are simply the ratings based on viewership. If we had toy sale figures, we might (or might not) be able to find some correlation. What the list does imply, however, is that kids didn't want to watch Fourze. Why? That's a good question. Could it be that they just didn't like it? Possibly. Alternatively, do the steadily declining numbers over the years imply that they're just overdosed on Kamen Rider in general? The next season could be the most appealing thing in the world, but if the kid populace is burning out on the whole thing, it might not matter.

The same thing might be happening with Super Sentai. Here's the rankings. Go-Busters is dead last, with Gekiranger through Gokaiger all in the bottom nine.

01. Goranger - 16.1%
02. Denjiman - 13.5%
03. Sun Vulcan - 12.5%
04. (tie) Goggle V and Flashman - 12.3%
06. Battle Fever - 12.0%
07. Maskman - 11.4%
08. Changeman - 11.1%
09. Dynaman - 10.6%
10. (tie) Liveman and Bioman - 10.5%
12. JAKQ - 9.8%
13. Gaoranger - 8.8%
14. Gingaman - 8.0%
15. Magiranger - 7.7%
16. Turboranger - 7.6%
17. Hurricanger - 7.5%
18. Zyuranger - 7.2%
19. (tie) Jetman, Timeranger, Abaranger, Dekaranger - 7.1%
23. Dairanger - 7.0%
24. Boukenger - 6.7%
25. GoGoV - 6.6%
26. (tie) Fiveman and Megaranger - 6.5%
28. Shinkenger - 5.9%
29. Kakuranger - 5.7%
30. Goseiger - 5.4%
31. Gekiranger - 5.2%
32. Go-Onger - 5.1%
33. Gokaiger - 5.0%
34. Carranger - 4.8%
35. Ohranger - 4.5%
36. Go-Busters - 4.0%

I couldn't find numbers for Akibaranger's two seasons, but considering the late-night showings and adult-only audience, I think it's safe to say that they're at the bottom.
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I just wonder how much of Kabuto brought Kamen Rider out of the Hibiki struggle, or whether the success was really attributed to Den-O and Kabuto wasn't received as the springboard recovery it was meant to be.
Yeah, Kabuto didn't actually do much better than Hibiki. Kabuto made 7.1 billion Yen compared to Hibiki's 6.5 billion, they're actually the two least successful Rider shows. (though Kabuto launched the career of one of the most successful Rider actors to date) The success is always attributed to Den-O, which was the highest earner since Faiz.

These are the actual numbers, the bulk of the sales in a given year since 2009 probably come from the series with the longest run in that year.

2013 - Kamen Rider Wizard - 19.5 billion yen
2012 Kamen Rider Fourze / Wizard 27.1 Billion yen
2011 Kamen Rider OOO / Fourze - 28.3 Billion yen
2010 Kamen Rider Double / OOO - 23.0 Billion yen
2009 Kamen Rider Decade / Double - 17.5 Billion yen
2008 Kamen Rider Kiva 8.5 Billion yen
2007 Kamen Rider Den-O 11.5 Billion yen
2006 Kamen Rider Kabuto 7.1 Billion yen
2005 Kamen Rider Hibiki 6.5 Billion yen
2004 Kamen Rider Blade 7.9 Billion yen
2003 Kamen Rider 555 12.0 Billion yen
2002 Kamen Rider Ryuki 13.9 Billion yen
2001 Kamen Rider Agito 9.4 Billion yen
2000 Kamen Rider Kugga 11.8 Billion yen
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Damn, the Heisei anniversary started raking in the dough.
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Wow, it looks like shortening Decade and doubling up the series per year really was a wise move.

19.5 bil seems pretty high for Wizard alone with Gaim only starting now and three months to cover the rest of the year.

Poor Sentai! That thing's in sheer free fall. I'm not saying that implies anything but what a bummer. Maybe they should ditch the physical toys and just switch to apps or something, encourage less playing and more watching. Japanese kids love their apps, don't they?
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19.5 bil seems pretty high for Wizard alone with Gaim only starting now and three months to cover the rest of the year.
It definitely is, though I figure Gaim's sales won't be huge with the year quickly ending, especially since the show's a month later than the last few launches.

More than likely, the numbers will round out in the mid 20's, same as last year.
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Bling sells. Moar ringz! We'll probably end up with enough Gaim Riders to make enough rings for both hands.
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Poor Sentai! That thing's in sheer free fall. I'm not saying that implies anything but what a bummer.
I'm more worried about the implications for PR if Toei should decide to give Super Sentai a break. We've got a three-year buffer, but if that runs out and SS hasn't returned yet...

What are the SS toy sales looking like now?
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What are the SS toy sales looking like now?
2012 Tokumei Sentai Go-Busters 9.5 Billion yen
2011 Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger 13.0 Billion yen
2010 Tensou Sentai Goseiger 9.2 Billion yen
2009 Samurai Sentai Shinkenger 10.5 Billion yen
2008 Engine Sentai Go-Onger 12.0 Billion yen
2007 Juken Sentai Gekiranger 7.7 Billion yen
2006 GoGo Sentai Boukenger 10.1 billion yen
2005 Mahou Sentai Magiranger 10.8 Billion yen
2004 Tokusou Sentai Dekaranger 11.6 Billion yen
2003 Bakuryu Sentai Abaranger 13.0 Billion yen
2002 - Ninpu Sentai Hurricanger - 10.3 Billion yen
2001 - Hyakujuu Sentai Gaoranger - 14.6 billion yen
2000 - Mirai Sentai Timeranger - 4 billion yen
1999 - KyuKyu Sentai GoGoV - 9 billion yen
1998 - Seijuu Sentai Gingaman - 9.3 billion yen
1997 - Denji Sentai Megaranger - 7.3 billion yen
1996 - Gekiso Sentai Carranger - 11.8 billion yen
1995 - Choriki Sentai Ohranger - 15.9 billion yen
1994 - Ninja Sentai Kakuranger - 8.5 billion yen
1993 - Gosei Sentai Dairanger - 7.8 billion yen
1992 - Kyoryu Sentai Zyuranger - 13.2 billion yen
1991 - Chojin Sentai Jetman - 11.3 billion yen

Kyoryuger is expected to match Gokaiger and Abaranger. If anyone is interested, we do occasional breakdowns with quotes from the various earnings reports here.
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Wow, Gaoranger kicked butt. I guess focusing on rolling out mecha will do that for you.
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Yeah, couple that with its killer ratings and it's probably one of the more successful Super Sentai out there.
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Considering that Wizard's last episode just aired, when do you think we'll have an average rating for it?

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Jesus Christ, what happened to Timeranger? Anyway, my fears of SS being put on "hiatus" are alleviated. The sales have been better, but on the average, they haven't really changed that much in the past twenty years. A consistent product like that is worth keeping, even if the ratings sag a bit.

I wonder: If the toy sales maintained respectable numbers like this, but the show absolutely tanked (like, 0.5% average or something), would the toy sales alone justify continuing the program? I know Toei has a large (controlling?) interest in TV-Asahi, but in such an extreme scenario, would the other interests be able to override it?
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Jesus Christ, what happened to Timeranger?
Boring suit designs, even more boring mecha designs and even more boring villain designs.

"Quick! Throw in a dinosaur!"
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These are the actual numbers, the bulk of the sales in a given year since 2009 probably come from the series with the longest run in that year.

2013 - Kamen Rider Wizard - 19.5 billion yen
That's rather misleading. 19.5 billion yen is Bandai's projection for Wizard and Gaim in 2013, not just Wizard by itself.

This is part of Bandai's last financial report. The years are named after the point where the period ends, not beginning, so, the numbers labeled for fiscal year 2014 actually are for chronological year 2013.


They do give numbers for first quarter of 2013 though, which would be a period of Wizard by itself, and there it did only 3.2 billions, almost only half of what Fourze did in the same period last year (6.1 billion).

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When they say "Power Rangers" in that report, are they referring just to the adaptation and accompanying merchandise, or is Super Sentai included in that?
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When they say "Power Rangers" in that report, are they referring just to the adaptation and accompanying merchandise, or is Super Sentai included in that?
The name "Power Rangers" by itself is there due to it being an English report. In the Japanese report, the name listed for the Toys and Hobby Business is just "Super Sentai". However, the Group Total name is "Super Sentai/Power Rangers". That's why the Group Total numbers for Sentai are much higher than the Toy and Hobby ones, while Kamen Riders group total numbers are very close to its Toys and Hobby Business. The Power Ranger numbers that make it back to Bandai Japan are added to the Group Total.

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Faiz 16-20:

Do the ends justify the means? Kusaka has some very idealistic (though extreme and arbitrary) ends in mind about forming the strongest possible fighting unit to exterminate the Orphenochs, but to accomplish that he acts as a manipulative jerk. (Okay, that's an understatement.) It's not just that he provokes and deliberately escalates fights with Takumi; he doesn't even bother trying to reason with him. The good news is he's taken a breather from antagonizing Takumi, the bad news is he's after the third belt. It's a wonder whether everyone would be better off with it in his hands or in Smart Brain's.

Do the means justify the ends? In contrast to Kusaka, Yuji has been well-intentioned, but he's causing all sorts of trouble. In one arc, he's indirectly responsible for killing Chie's brother while essentially covering up his involvement in her murder. It's his actions that causes the brother to become a monster (mentally) as he sits back and inadvertently lets the situation spiral out of control. What would Yuji have done if Chie's brother did all that without becoming an Orphenoch? Then in the next arc, a misunderstanding causes his rivalry with Tatsumi as Faiz to continue. It's a bit hypocritical that he'd judge a situation so quickly when he wants to be judged by his human mind instead of his Orphenoch body. And it's a bit rash to assume Faiz was hunting traitorous Orphenochs when he knew that Orphenochs weren't generally allied with humans and even acknowledged that there were few of them out there.

While a lot of these problems could be attributed to the characters themselves, the lack of information is also to blame. If Yuka wasn't so indecisive and inactive, she could easily tell Yuji that Takumi is Faiz, especially while he was speculating about whether Faiz was after them. Takumi and Yuji are allies by fate, and she knows it, but she doesn't know that they don't know all the details or the extent of their conflict. Then there's Takumi not telling Keitarou about Yuka. He's in a difficult spot, not wanting to break Keitarou's heart, nor wanting to risk Keitarou breaking Yuka's heart and give her a reason to kill him. But if anyone should realize all the harm in covering up the truth, it's him (especially with Kusaka covering something up). And with just a little more communication, he could deduce that Yuka and Osada are the same person. Unlike Yuka, Takumi's actually taken some decisive action. Learning not to hesitate, he decided doing something bad was better than letting something worse happen.

Though it may be annoying that Takumi and Yuji have unintentionally screwed so much up and cause situations to spiral out of control, it is interesting to note how much they would complement each other if they were to work together more often. Yuji stands by watching an Orphenoch lose his humanity, and Takumi eliminates him. Takumi loses the Faiz belt, and if he and Yuji knew about each other Yuji could help. They're both sort of counceling each other at this point, though it's not as effective as it would be if there were no secrets.

Smart Brain has taken an odd perspective on evolution and survival of the fittest. In their definition, not only is an Orphenoch unfit if they choose not to kill humans, but they're also unfit if they attempt to and fail at an assigned task, no matter the obstacle. Poor Mr. J was the sap when it came to retrieving the Faiz and Kaixa belts, when the poem guy had a much easier time. It's a wonder why they send only one at a time to do such a task, though maybe they're more concerned with finding the fittest individual Orphenoch than with eliminating humans. And keeping the belts out there as a challenge would keep Orphenochs in line.
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OOO 9-12: I sort of hope that baby doll sales didn't start rising because of Maki. His usage of the thing is just...creepy.

It is interesting that with the Kougami foundation run by a man who is obsessed with birthdays and beginnings, there would ultimately be someone who has an obsession with the opposite: endings, the end result and "the end". Maki as a scientist is one who would be the logical choice in this; whereas a business tycoon like Kougami is obsessed with new ideas and ventures to utilize in the marketplace (or in the city with the way his systems have been integrated in), Maki as a scientist is only interested in results and seeing how things play out for his own benefit. With the Greeed and Yummies running around, Maki likewise seems to show an interest in how they will affect things; first researching his own worker when Mezool makes him into a nest for the Shark Yummies, then appearing to make an alliance with Kazari without the knowledge of the other Greeed. His only real weakness up to now is his social ineptitudes; he seemed to go crazy when Eiji knocked creepydoll off his shoulder, which is the only way he is able to talk to anyone and makes him utterly lose it when it is not on his shoulder. I'd say just keep attacking the doll but knowing a scientist like him, he'll just find a force field to protect the thing.

In another bit of character development, we appear to get a bit more on Gotou and his own feelings and obligations regarding why he's with Kougami. Even though he's been feeling like a whinier version of Ichijou (who is just one of the best reasons behind human characters existing in KR), Gotou's whole beef is that some random guy off the street is OOO and he's stuck just mostly as Kougami's messenger. Probably the best lesson he got was in the second two-parter, when Eiji tries to explain to his friend that as much as he wanted to talk about "the world", it really means nothing if you haven't been there or have no real connection to it. (more on that in a bit) While he meant it in the schemes of his friend in the Yummy Crisis, Gotou finally seems to understand that he probably has been talking too much about "saving the world" when he's just been reckless and even gotten a bit on Kougami's bad side. I sort of hope this will lead to a positive change for him...but he's with Maki now and nothing good can come from that.

Regarding Eiji: the first two-parter this time finally did explain what exactly happened...but it really wasn't in a good way. The flashback about him wanting to help out where he can due to that girl who died did appear strong...but it mostly just involved that terrible shot of "random black girl and CGI missiles" we've been seeing since the beginning. There really felt like little bonding or even dialogue that made it feel like Eiji had a true connection that was lost due to the incident and that they rather just keep showing "random crying girl and CGI missiles" over and over to get the point across. If there was a true sense of bonding then it would have felt more powerful than it was. He did gain two combos this weekend: Latorahta (which was hinted at with Kougami's little speech and the fact that Eiji had the combo medals) and Sagohzo (which felt a bit more flukish; Ankh wanted probably just the Gorilla Medal for dealing with the Swallowtail Yummy and Eiji, being who he is, went full throttle with a new combo instead of listening once they got what was needed from Gamel). Storywise the one with the traveling friend was stronger; with the first one with the mad bomber...more just there to introduce Maki.

BTW: I know Movie War Core is up next...but should I do it now or after 13-14? (both should be next weekend unless I get a better placement)
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