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Old May 19th, 2019, 08:25 AM #1421
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I have a question

So in season 3 post Flashpoint what happened to Harrison Wells of Earth 1? Did he die the same way like he did before Barry changed the timeline?
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Old May 19th, 2019, 08:26 AM #1422
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I have a question

So in season 3 post Flashpoint what happened to Harrison Wells of Earth 1? Did he die the same way like he did before Barry changed the timeline?
I would presume so, since Thawne still has his appearance.
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Old May 19th, 2019, 08:38 AM #1423
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I would presume so, since Thawne still has his appearance.
But Barry had imprisoned him.
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Old May 19th, 2019, 11:47 AM #1424
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But Barry had imprisoned him.
But that was Flashpoint that Barry kept Thawne trapped. Post-Flashpoint was basically the same minus Cisco's brother being killed and...can't remember what else. But basically the universe was the closest Barry was going to get so in that one Thawne still killed his mom, became Wells, etc etc.
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Old May 19th, 2019, 12:03 PM #1425
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But that was Flashpoint that Barry kept Thawne trapped. Post-Flashpoint was basically the same minus Cisco's brother being killed and...can't remember what else. But basically the universe was the closest Barry was going to get so in that one Thawne still killed his mom, became Wells, etc etc.

Kaitlin had powers in the post flashpoint timeline something she didn't display in the other timeline.

Earth 2 Kaitlin got her powers via particle accelerator

Ralph being alive when he was originally dead
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Old May 19th, 2019, 12:18 PM #1426
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The last being outright referenced to by Thawne in the finale.
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Old May 19th, 2019, 12:23 PM #1427
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He was named dropped in season 1 as one of the people who died that night along with Ronnie Raymond
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Old May 19th, 2019, 07:40 PM #1428
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I do enjoy the little nod to Ralph's Pre-FlashPoint fate earlier this season.
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Old May 20th, 2019, 01:42 PM #1429
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I guess somehow the altered newspaper clipping was readable

https://www.cbr.com/crisis-on-infini...e-flash-death/
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Old May 20th, 2019, 09:48 PM #1430
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I guess somehow the altered newspaper clipping was readable

https://www.cbr.com/crisis-on-infini...e-flash-death/
That was definitely a detailed listing of absolutely nothing insightful.
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Old May 21st, 2019, 04:25 AM #1431
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That was definitely a detailed listing of absolutely nothing insightful.
I mean are you really surprised?
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Old May 21st, 2019, 04:35 AM #1432
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Not that useless, as it spoiler Ray surviving the events of LoT finale. Not surprising, but still.
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Old May 21st, 2019, 11:50 AM #1433
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I wonder if they planned for a Monitor cameo and it got cut for time

or if they did and we haven't spotted it yet!
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Old May 21st, 2019, 12:04 PM #1434
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I wonder if they planned for a Monitor cameo and it got cut for time

or if they did and we haven't spotted it yet!
That seems kind of unlikely.
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Old May 30th, 2019, 09:45 PM #1435
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So I'm catching up on the new season as this was next on my shows to catch up on, (Supergirl is probably next) and I just watched episode 11.

Is there a reason they had Killer Frost turn back into Caitlin to check on the Meta that got stabbed when Cicada was still right there in the Alley?

They are all well aware she's the only one who can fight Cicada, yet they have her switch back to Caitlin, which in turn caused Nora to get severely injured.

I know it was just a way to write Nora out of most of the episode, but please tell me they at least give valid reasonings for Killer Frost not being present against Cicada later on? I mean, they wrote her as the only meta that can counter Cicada's powers for a reason, why are they not working that angle, and insist it has to be Barry that fights him?

I mean, the entire plot of this season is Nora going back in time changed the timeline is it not? This is an entirely different Cicada, right? Who's to say this Cicada couldn't have been Killer Frost's first enemy and made her a hero of Central City, as from what I remember, she's still known as a villain, (like how Vibe was known as a hero from when he helped) and not Flash's next enemy?

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And on a side note, Nora says she hated Iris for suppressing her powers, but she never seemed to realize the fact Cicada was never caught. Which means there was a serial killer that targeted meta humans that was constantly on the loose in the future **specifically around the time she was a baby/kid**, yet she didn't seem to understand why Iris suppressed her powers? Am I missing something there?

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Also, I skipped the Elseworlds crossover. I'll watch them later when I watch Supergirl and get to the Part 3 episode there. I won't miss anything doing that, right? (I don't watch Arrow, but I know Part 2 is an ARrow episode, so I'll just load that episode up on Netflix after watching Part 1 on the Flash)
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Old May 30th, 2019, 10:15 PM #1436
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Also, I skipped the Elseworlds crossover. I'll watch them later when I watch Supergirl and get to the Part 3 episode there. I won't miss anything doing that, right? (I don't watch Arrow, but I know Part 2 is an ARrow episode, so I'll just load that episode up on Netflix after watching Part 1 on the Flash)
You'll be all right. The Supergirl and Arrow finales are directly connected to the crossover. The Flash has something but you honestly won't even realize it's crossover related until you see the crossover
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Old May 30th, 2019, 10:15 PM #1437
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I'm honestly a bit confused about the history of the Cicada identity, now looking back.
So, before Nora altered history, David Hersch became Cicada and was so powerful that no one could stop him for reasons unexplained. True? But evidence suggests that David was still somehow replaced by Cicada II, most likely still adult Grace. Orlun was a much weaker Cicada who apparently trained Grace in the altered future and never lost his powers. My question is was Grace trained by David originally and was she the the one who put the dagger in Thawne, or was it David?
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Old May 31st, 2019, 03:08 AM #1438
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But Barry had imprisoned him.
The version of Thawne that was imprisoned by Barry in the Flashpoint timeline is a time remnant, plucked from the night of what would've been Nora Allen's murder. He eventually gets his comeuppance after killing Barry's mother again, dropping Barry off in a "close enough" timeline and running free afterwards, but not before acting as the Big Bad of Legends Of Tomorrow's second season.

The one that appears after that point, wearing Harrison Wells' face, is - by every on-screen indication - a future version who has chosen to wear that face again of his own volition, and is implied to have faced Barry numerous times from his perspective. Per the Crisis On Earth-X crossover, he's wearing it mostly to mess with Barry, but also because he finds Wells' visage handsome.

In short: Wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey. Don't think too hard about it, because the writers don't seem to unless they absolutely have to.

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Old May 31st, 2019, 08:58 AM #1439
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AkaUnlovedFyntabulous wrote: View Post

I know it was just a way to write Nora out of most of the episode, but please tell me they at least give valid reasonings for Killer Frost not being present against Cicada later on? I mean, they wrote her as the only meta that can counter Cicada's powers for a reason, why are they not working that angle, and insist it has to be Barry that fights him?
They actually don't sideline Killer Frost. She's very much a part of their fights with Cicada throughout the season.
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In short: Wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey. Don't think too hard about it, because the writers don't seem to unless they absolutely have to.
They never even explained why he still looks like Wells in that timeline.

Even the Earth-X crossover gave us a throwaway line for that.
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