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Old June 26th, 2016, 12:39 PM #161
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Ireland left the UK in 1919 with the Irish Declaration of Independence[/url]
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Michael Collins is rolling in his grave right about now...
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Old June 26th, 2016, 12:42 PM #162
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Michael Collins is rolling in his grave right about now...
1922, sorry. The deceleration was 1919.

Either way, Ireland is not part of the UK. It is Northern Ireland that is.
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And what has handguns got to do with immigration/Xenophobia. You're just twisting now to suit your own narrative as the call for the ban to be lifted has nothing to do with immigration.
No he isn't, he's simply stating that in the venn diagram between guns and anti-immigrant stances, Nigel Farage stands in the middle. As the figurehead for anti-immigration, anything Farage says will be by association linked to it.
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My mistake with the article. I really need to stop going to /pol/ for articles.
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Old June 26th, 2016, 12:47 PM #165
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So like is Great Britain going to stop immigration conpletely?
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No he isn't, he's simply stating that in the venn diagram between guns and anti-immigrant stances, Nigel Farage stands in the middle. As the figurehead for anti-immigration, anything Farage says will be by association linked to it.
Just because he has a stance on two separate issues, does not mean the two are linked. That is just twisting facts.

He supports the lifting of the ban on handguns
He supports controlled immigration.

Two different issues. You can't say that his wanting a lifting on a ban on handguns has anything to do with 'Xenophobia'

For the record, I am against the lifting of the ban and don't agree with him.

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So like is Great Britain going to stop immigration conpletely?
No, that was never the case.

It wants to be able to control its own borders.

Right now within the EU we have uncontrolled movement meaning anyone, and as many as they want can come and go as they please and UK can't do anything about it. (If they are from a EU country and the EU is expanding more soon)

It was never about shutting borders. It was about being able to control them ourselves without other counties being able to tell us how.

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Old June 26th, 2016, 01:00 PM #167
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darkshadowranger wrote: View Post

Just because he has a stance on two separate issues, does not mean the two are linked. That is just twisting facts.

He supports the lifting of the ban on handguns
He supports controlled immigration.

Two different issues. You can't say that his wanting a lifting on a ban on handguns has anything to do with 'Xenophobia'
By that logic, you would be cool with a child rapist advertising cartoons. The connection is inferred if not actually stated. To pretend that it isn't "because semantics" is either ignorant or naive.
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that's a stupid comparison.

Explain to me how wanting a lifting on handguns is linked to, and will further xenophobia?

Yes he wants a ban on hand guns lifted.

That has NOTHING to do with immigration or Xenophobia.
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darkshadowranger wrote: View Post

that's a stupid comparison.

Explain to me how wanting a lifting on handguns is linked to, and will further xenophobia?
No it isn't, it's exactly the same.

Nobody here has or is saying that. Cam simply stated that Farage's stance on handguns would be associated with his stance on immigration because THAT'S ALL HE'S KNOWN FOR.

If the Cookie Monster came out in favor of handguns, after people got over the shock of it, they would also wonder if his stance on cookies remained the same. Do you understand why that is?
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darkshadowranger wrote: View Post

That has NOTHING to do with immigration or Xenophobia.
You're right, it doesn't. But because the guy advocating it is the guy widely accused of xenophobia, the popular consciousness would easily conflate the two. Remember: the public is a stupid, impulsive creature.
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You're right, it doesn't. But because the guy advocating it is the guy widely accused of xenophobia, the popular consciousness would easily conflate the two. Remember: the public is a stupid, impulsive creature.
Oh, I know lol.

For the record, I don't think it is Xenophobic to want to control our own borders and not have unrestricted immigration.

I do think lifting the ban is stupid.
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11 members of Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet have resigned in the wake of him sacking Hilary Benn, the shadow foreign secretary
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11 members of Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet have resigned in the wake of him sacking Hilary Benn, the shadow foreign secretary
It's cool, Labour is basically out of power for the next decade so there's no real need for Shadow anything at the minute,
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Labour NI should now capitalize on this and be allowed to run in Northern Ireland elections. They have a party here, but Labour in England won't let them stand in elections. Corbyn will be gone soon, and if they offer their support to a new leader in exchange for being allowed to run it could work out well.

I don't support them, but it would be good to see another party here that is not stuck in the Orange/Green divide here.
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Im not sure how comfortable i am with people airing their guts and personal political views as it pertains to the EU and the UK as when anything pertaining to American laws seems strictly off limits with voiced warnings of infractions. Purely because it feels like the people in America/Canada are the ones in power on the board aside from a few random mods. With this hypocrisy i bid you all a good day.
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darkshadowranger wrote: View Post

No, that was never the case.

It wants to be able to control its own borders.

Right now within the EU we have uncontrolled movement meaning anyone, and as many as they want can come and go as they please and UK can't do anything about it. (If they are from a EU country and the EU is expanding more soon)

It was never about shutting borders. It was about being able to control them ourselves without other counties being able to tell us how.
Forgetting of course it was a two way deal. Brexit supporters only cared about the open borders when it was people coming to the UK. They like to ignore all the Brits who do the same moving to the continent. Half my post-graduation job prospects have now disappeared given that I will soon lose my right to live and work in another EU country. But I suppose that's a fair trade off because some xenophobic Englishmen now won't have to worry about their next door neighbour having a funny accent.
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Im not sure how comfortable i am with people airing their guts and personal political views as it pertains to the EU and the UK as when anything pertaining to American laws seems strictly off limits with voiced warnings of infractions. Purely because it feels like the people in America/Canada are the ones in power on the board aside from a few random mods. With this hypocrisy i bid you all a good day.
The UK has good representation on the board staff. 10% in fact!
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The UK has good representation on the board staff. 10% in fact!
And according to the informal census I did, people from the UK made up 9% of respondents. Granted, it wasn't a very large proportion of the board; only 176 people.
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darkshadowranger wrote: View Post

No, that was never the case.

It wants to be able to control its own borders.

Right now within the EU we have uncontrolled movement meaning anyone, and as many as they want can come and go as they please and UK can't do anything about it. (If they are from a EU country and the EU is expanding more soon)

It was never about shutting borders. It was about being able to control them ourselves without other counties being able to tell us how.
But the UK will not really be in control of its borders. If they want to be part of the free market they will have to accept free movement of people, you can't have one without the other. The UK will also have to follow many EU laws and regulations and pay the EU a ton of money. The curved banana boogeyman won't disappear.
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