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Old June 25th, 2016, 12:38 PM #101
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Former Labour Scots First Minister Henry McLeish hints that he may be persuaded to give backing to independence over remaining in the UK if it means Scotland stays in the EU.

He's not ghe first to do so. Ex-Labour MSP Malcolm Chisholm does the same, as does journalist Alex Massie, and J.K. Rowling.

All of these people were figures of the campaign against independence less than two years ago (McLeish less so, granted). J.K. Rowling even dropped 1 million into that campaign's funding. However, the Brexit vote may have encouraged them to reconsider.
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Well yeah, since leaving at the time would've meant leaving the EU. Hell, I think Cameron made that one of his central arguments for the Scots to stay.

How's Ireland responding to this?
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How's Ireland responding to this?
Many of the Northern Irish want unity with the Republic.
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Interesting. Thanks again Snail.
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Many of the Northern Irish want unity with the Republic.
That would be nice. Ireland has came so far since the height of the troubles.
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And the Sundy Post is reporting at support for Scottish Independence has shot up to 59% thanks to Brexit. Wow.
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Silly thing is that Scotland would have to gain independence and then go through the normal admittance process themselves as a individual country, they cannot remain in the EU as they were only included in the EU under the uk banner.

In fact last time Scottish independence came up the EU stated that they would have to go through the normal process if they left us during the last independence referendum.
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But at least they would have a chance of being in the EU then, as opposed to being dragged out by a bunch of right-wing Englishmen. Get out while you can, Scotland. Don't let us ruin your future.
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Silly thing is that Scotland would have to gain independence and then go through the normal admittance process themselves as a individual country, they cannot remain in the EU as they were only included in the EU under the uk banner.

In fact last time Scottish independence came up the EU stated that they would have to go through the normal process if they left us during the last independence referendum.
When the UK Government triggers the leaving process, as per the Lisbon treaty Britain has two years to negotiate exit. If Scotland has an emergency independence referendum soon enough, the theoretically, Scotland wouldn't have to leave at all. Of course, this would depend on diplomatics between Scotland and the EU nations, which the Scottish Government has today confirmed it will be start to seek over the coming days.
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But at least they would have a chance of being in the EU then, as opposed to being dragged out by a bunch of right-wing Englishmen. Get out while you can, Scotland. Don't let us ruin your future.
It's a weird state of affairs.

In 2014 when Scotland had a referendum on leaving the UK, there was a strong movement to leave, which would have meant Scotland would have also left the EU. Now that the UK has left the EU (and by default, so has Scotland), Scotland is threatening to leave the UK so that it can join try to re-join the EU.
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But at least they would have a chance of being in the EU then, as opposed to being dragged out by a bunch of right-wing Englishmen. Get out while you can, Scotland. Don't let us ruin your future.
" Dragged out ". Maybe if the people who wanted to remain in the EU got up off their arse and went to their local polling point and cast their vote instead of writing messages on their facebook and twitter pretending to be an expert on politics all of a sudden inbetween calling people on big brother sluts they wouldnt be in this situation. All of a sudden after the vote comes out now that we are leaving more people are coming out of the woodwork claiming it isnt what they wanted. Well if the amount of outrage now is reflective of how the nation feels the polling results would of been very different. I didnt actually vote to leave despite what my prior posts say. I was happy to stay. But i bet anything if we held a 2nd vote a vast majority of the vote would be to stay in the EU now that these lackadaisical none voters got the kick up the ass they needed. So basically they are blaming racists and people being duped and blind english pride on us leaving the EU as opposed to themselves who didnt even get the numbers up to vote to stay.
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This is having a ripple effect. England is going to regret what they did. They got pissy and now are at risk of ripping the whole UK apart. I live in the US but I am keeping a stark eye on this for a number of reasons.
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This is having a ripple effect. England is going to regret what they did. They got pissy and now are at risk of ripping the whole UK apart.
Like I said, Scotland is out of the EU any way you slice it. If they'd have left the UK 2 years ago, they'd have been out of the EU, now they've remained and we've voted, they're out of the EU. And from what I gather, the process for a country to join the EU can take years.
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#Regrexit


http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/politi...xit/index.html

Petition website

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

2,687,010 signatures


By Saturday afternoon, more than 2 million people had signed the petition on the official UK Parliament website. That number takes it well over the 100,000-signature threshold needed to force a debate on the issue by members of Parliament.

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If anyone who voted Leave didn't see the repercussions of their actions, they have some major blinders on.
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Can the U.K. just undo the vote and sorta go "We were kidding"?
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If anyone who voted Leave didn't see the repercussions of their actions, they have some major blinders on.
oops forgot the CNN link

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/politi...xit/index.html


One voter, Adam from Manchester, told the BBC: "My vote -- I didn't think was going to matter too much because I thought we were just going to remain.
So we had people vote for giggles and then wake up thinking "Damn. What did I do?"
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I'm still shocked and puzzled at the outcome. How exactly does exiting the EU make Britain more secure and generate more jobs for locals? It seems to make everything harder, since they have to go back and establish new trading deals. The unstable currency makes people wary about spending their money and not stimulating the local economy either.

I remember reading a joke on Twitter that said "Pensioners value the status quo over their grandchildren's' futures."
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I voted to stay when I was at local polling station. It's very important to vote.
As they say your vote counts.
I will sign that petition as well. I think it better to stay.

Ps. when I signed that petition, it was at 2,758,845 signatures.

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I remember reading a joke on Twitter that said "Pensioners value the status quo over their grandchildren's' futures."
That's wrong, because the status quo was Remain, and it's supposed to be that the older you are, the more likely you voted to Leave.
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