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Old August 3rd, 2019, 08:06 AM #681
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The base level comic book power is shapeshifting, anything else requires actual genetic engineering and tinkering around from an external source. Adding super powers and memory implants are not just something they can do on their own. However, the MCU actually nerfed the Skrulls a little, adding in the need to "sim" someone, copying someone they see and getting a brief short term memory scan. Whereas comics Skrulls can turn into whatever they imagine, including creating bladed weapons out of limbs and changing size entirely, but the memory bit doesn't really exist for them either.
Yeah I hope they go into their origins in the MCU. They'll probably cover the basics in the Eternals hopefully they cover that Skrulls and Kree are byproducts of the tampering too.
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^ I hope they make that too, because the Eternals movie could doing that ! Both races had somekind of connection with the Eternals
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^ I hope they make that too, because the Eternals movie could doing that ! Both races had somekind of connection with the Eternals
Eternals aren't just humans. The Kree in the comics are majority Eternal. They just intermingled with their normals and eliminated their Deviants. While it isn't needed and convoluted it would be nice for them to really go into things.
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^ Consider the fact most of the Kree are Eternals and they wanted to destroy the Deviants !
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I believe Far from Home, has already surpassed the first Spider-Man film from 2002 in total world-wide even when you adjust for inflation right? because on Box-office mojo, it only shows the domestic inflation-adjustment, not globally.
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Skrulls can be just as tricked as anyone. They aren't special illusion seers or anything, they just shapeshifters and are good at copying people. Nothing about their powerset implies some kind of extra intelligence to avoid falling for traps or tricks, they in fact do this on multiple occasions. Down to the individual you could find someone more suspicious and questioning the story, but Talos as far as we know isn't that kind of person. He's not even especially gifted as a spy, he ends up having to come clean when he realizes he can't get his way with duplicity in Capt Marvel. Here, he just fell for Beck's plot like J Jonah Jameson did.
They are master mimics, Talos even blamed himself in the end. Tell me what makes you think Thanos is different? Thanos never showed he got much awareness of illusion.

How is he not master leveled by quickly impersonate the SHIELD official without anyone to notice?

Beck's plot worked because it was so deceiving.


They go out of their way to explain how long and hard it was to prep for these encounters and how everything was especially timed and worked out to function otherwise the effects fail. It's improvising that leads to trouble.
Not really as what we saw in the encounter.

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We haven't really been introduced into the Skrulls powers yet. They can copy people. However in the comics they just don't copy people. They insert their dna and memories into them. That way they can fully take on the personalities of the people they are copying. They also can insert powersets into their genetics. Since they are deviants they can are easily alter their dna.
Thus they will be easier to aware deception than Thanos.
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So late to the party but finally saw it. Mysterio's illusion on Spider-man was everything I ever dreamed from Mysterio as a villain in a movie. Awesome.
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How is he not master leveled by quickly impersonate the SHIELD official without anyone to notice?
Because that's base level what they do. That's literally the most simple thing for a Skrull, to impersonate someone. It's some skill to get into a secret facility following Fury, sure, but that skill doesn't correspond to if that person can be tricked by an illusion or not. We've gone in circles around this now.

Beck's plot worked because it was so deceiving.
Yes. That's the point. It tricked people. Nothing about being a Skrull though makes it any more impressive they were tricked than a regular person falling for it. It's even used a tell in the film that something was off with Fury.

Not really as what we saw in the encounter.
There are multiple scenes showcasing how much time and effort Beck's crew had to put into the illusions. Including a big rehearsal scene for the last trick. What did you think those scenes were about if not explaining how complicated Mysterio's act was?
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There are multiple scenes showcasing how much time and effort Beck's crew had to put into the illusions. Including a big rehearsal scene for the last trick. What did you think those scenes were about if not explaining how complicated Mysterio's act was?
Exactly this. Beck's crew didn't just whip up those illusions overnight, flying by the seat of their pants this whole time. That's the point, they spent who knows how long creating all the various illusions, working out the stunts, etc etc and then they staged every bit of it. Sure, some improvising was obviously called for especially when "Fury" brought in Peter, but all in all Beck and his team had each part of this planned out for how they wanted it to go. The only difference was having access to Stark's drones allowed them to go bigger.

It was kind of like the opposite to Tomes' whole big job on the Avengers loot. Difference being Beck had things in mind if he could go bigger, and then was given the opportunity. Tomes didn't want to go bigger till push came to shove.
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Because that's base level what they do. That's literally the most simple thing for a Skrull, to impersonate someone. It's some skill to get into a secret facility following Fury, sure, but that skill doesn't correspond to if that person can be tricked by an illusion or not. We've gone in circles around this now.
So their basic level is far above the top human agents. Since they could easily mimic others' moves and everything, of course they would have a higher sense to figure out if there is anything wrong, even Talos himself had admitted in the end.

There is no proof that Thanos has higher sense level as well.


Yes. That's the point. It tricked people. Nothing about being a Skrull though makes it any more impressive they were tricked than a regular person falling for it. It's even used a tell in the film that something was off with Fury.
They are above super level agents, both they and other SHIELD agents were fooled, how is it not convincing? They are not regular person, thanks.

Beck's illusion was able to fool the Skrull, the SHIELD agents and Spider Man(with senses). Tell me what makes you think Thanos have a higher sense than them, he got tricked quite a few times.

There are multiple scenes showcasing how much time and effort Beck's crew had to put into the illusions. Including a big rehearsal scene for the last trick. What did you think those scenes were about if not explaining how complicated Mysterio's act was?
Not really other than the huge elementals, Beck obviously didn't think he would lose and he could still figure out a plan to expose Spider Man in short time.

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Exactly this. Beck's crew didn't just whip up those illusions overnight, flying by the seat of their pants this whole time. That's the point, they spent who knows how long creating all the various illusions, working out the stunts, etc etc and then they staged every bit of it. Sure, some improvising was obviously called for especially when "Fury" brought in Peter, but all in all Beck and his team had each part of this planned out for how they wanted it to go. The only difference was having access to Stark's drones allowed them to go bigger.

It was kind of like the opposite to Tomes' whole big job on the Avengers loot. Difference being Beck had things in mind if he could go bigger, and then was given the opportunity. Tomes didn't want to go bigger till push came to shove.
No.

Beck didn't realize he would lose at all, but when confronted by Spider Man, he could make a plan in short time to expose Spider Man without letting him know at all.

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So their basic level is far above the top human agents. Since they could easily mimic others' moves and everything, of course they would have a higher sense to figure out if there is anything wrong, even Talos himself had admitted in the end.
Well, mimicking a move and then having the higher sense to notice when being scammed aren't the same thing. If they were mimicking someone who'd notice those things, sure. But alone, they can still be lied to and tricked, as we saw. I just don't get why you're so hellbent on the idea the skrulls must be immune to trickery and illusion when their entire backstory is about getting lied to by the Kree.

There is no proof that Thanos has higher sense level as well.
We already moved past that, we agree Thanos could get tricked, but the way it worked in this movie shows there just wasn't time to do it to Thanos with EDITH. Some other kind of illusion, maybe. Though Loki's illusion did get figured out immediately but that was because it was obvious.

Not really other than the huge elementals, Beck obviously didn't think he would lose and he could still figure out a plan to expose Spider Man in short time.
Expose spider-man? Beck's plan wasn't to expose Spidey, that was a backup last minute twist carried out by the rest of Beck's team. That still took time to carry out, that wasn't just the next day back in New York when Jonah showed up. His Mysterio tech got taken by his accomplice and that's who leaked the info to Jonah, after escaping without getting caught.

I'm confused though, what are you responding to in this quote? What did you think the scenes with Beck rehearsing and the constant references to how much work they all had to put in to get the job to work were about? Coming up with a last minute payback move is smart, but the illusions still needed programmers and writers working hard on them to function in the end. We are explicitly told this by Beck.
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Well, mimicking a move and then having the higher sense to notice when being scammed aren't the same thing. If they were mimicking someone who'd notice those things, sure. But alone, they can still be lied to and tricked, as we saw. I just don't get why you're so hellbent on the idea the skrulls must be immune to trickery and illusion when their entire backstory is about getting lied to by the Kree.
It is, they are the masters of it, of course they would be more keen to sense what's wrong. It's like a cook would have higher sense of food than others.

I'm not saying skrulls are immune at all, just they have a higher level of knowledge yet they still got fooled, and Talos himself even admitted it.


We already moved past that, we agree Thanos could get tricked, but the way it worked in this movie shows there just wasn't time to do it to Thanos with EDITH. Some other kind of illusion, maybe. Though Loki's illusion did get figured out immediately but that was because it was obvious.
EDITH is not required, again.

Loki was able to use his illusion to hide the cube from Thanos, another example. Thanos figured out his plan because he already called Hulk to attack.

Expose spider-man? Beck's plan wasn't to expose Spidey, that was a backup last minute twist carried out by the rest of Beck's team. That still took time to carry out, that wasn't just the next day back in New York when Jonah showed up. His Mysterio tech got taken by his accomplice and that's who leaked the info to Jonah, after escaping without getting caught.
It was Beck's plan.

It took like 3 mins before he died and he was able to record everything without a bit of knowledge of Spider Man, who had the sense open and stand right beside him.

I'm confused though, what are you responding to in this quote? What did you think the scenes with Beck rehearsing and the constant references to how much work they all had to put in to get the job to work were about? Coming up with a last minute payback move is smart, but the illusions still needed programmers and writers working hard on them to function in the end. We are explicitly told this by Beck.
Again, that was the huge elemental fight, of course it requires a lot of preparation. But small scale doesn't need much attention. They don't need big scale illusion to fool Thanos.
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EDITH is not required, again.
If EDITH isn't required then what are you even talking about? I thought your argument was "Stark should have used this illusion tech to trick Thanos". Just the basic BARF tech from Beck still wouldn't have worked in the time they had to use it.

Had the timeframe been different, sure, that illusion stuff could have made a difference.

It was Beck's plan.

It took like 3 mins before he died and he was able to record everything without a bit of knowledge of Spider Man, who had the sense open and stand right beside him.
Spidey sense doesn't pick up when someone is recording themselves as they die. That's not an immediate danger to Spider-man. It doesn't even have to be actually Beck, it could have all been a worked up message made up by his team looking to cover their exit and get revenge for their failed plan. They just needed the recording from Beck's feed to make it work. I think that's the end idea there, Mysterio is now an organization, not just one bad guy.
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Rumor: A Director's Cut of Far From Home is being prepped...for re-release back into theaters.

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FFS, this movie's already walking away with +$1 billion. Is it really necessary to get more?
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Endgame taught us the original run is never enough
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To be honest I'd rather see extended cuts of Phase I movies… and I'm genuinely surprised Disney didn't think of those yet, lol
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Is it really necessary to get more?
Would the profits go to Sony or Disney, though?
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Would the profits go to Sony or Disney, though?
Correct.
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Correct.
No, wasn't there some deal that Marvel can use him in their movies, but his own movies are purely the realm of Sony ... which means a re-release would benefit them, but not Disney? Yeah, I get you're trying to be clever, but that didn't help.
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The movie is now Sony's highest grossing global release ever, eclipsing Skyfall

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