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Old April 20th, 2019, 11:23 AM #461
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Man. Imagine putting so much effort into someone who is barely famous. Like, if this were an A or B list actor I'd understand but a VA is so low on the totem pole that I just can't comprehend why so many choose this to be the hill they die on.
I get supporting a barely famous person, I don't get hating on the other barely famous people involved here who are outing him.

It has to be like everyone else is saying, that the fans actually think Vic's cool because he's a womanizer and hate that it's finally being shamed in American society.
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Old April 20th, 2019, 11:34 AM #462
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My fear is that this will be another Ken Penders situation.
A lot of things will have to go wrong to be a Ken Penders situation.
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It has to be like everyone else is saying, that the fans actually think Vic's cool because he's a womanizer and hate that it's finally being shamed in American society.
They either think it isn't a problem, or they know it's problematic and just don't care because pocketing an own against the ~Social Marxists~ is more important. When you live your life in a bubble and you're terrified of having that bubble popped, you'll bump shoulders with some of the worst human beings as long as it means you get to tell yourself you aren't doing anything wrong.
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Old April 20th, 2019, 11:48 AM #464
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One key element of the legal definitions of defamation, slander, and libel is knowingly making an untrue statement. If Vic is suing over any of that, it's not going to turn out well for him, because at trial, that makes all his alleged harassment cases relevant, and it will then be on the record. Whenever someone's accused of wrongdoing and they take this scorched earth approach, it's just not going to work out.

But the sad part, some people just don't care about the actual legal matters and will just huff whatever excuse they can.
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One key element of the legal definitions of defamation, slander, and libel is knowingly making an untrue statement. If Vic is suing over any of that, it's not going to turn out well for him, because at trial, that makes all his alleged harassment cases relevant, and it will then be on the record.
Plus, the SLAPP-style lawsuit angle he's going for here only works for public figures of huge popularity, IE how Hulk Hogan was able to shut down Gawker. Vic Mignogna is a well-known figure in the industry but not big enough for his position as a public figure to do anything but make this lawsuit harder for him specifically.

It's going to be very hard for him to make a meaningful case of defamation or libel when he's personally admitted to having crossed a line in some of his public tweets.
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Old April 20th, 2019, 12:45 PM #466
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They either think it isn't a problem, or they know it's problematic and just don't care because pocketing an own against the ~Social Marxists~ is more important.
But why own them? Yes, the concept of the acronym SJW is to highlight those who go overboard with their beliefs of respect, reading into things that honestly aren't there, things with no actual victims, but this isn't one of those cases.

To fight SJWs on EVERY issue means it's not even about the SJWs anymore, you've chosen a side and that side is to treat people like shit for your own amusement. You know you're the problem, there's no wiggling out of it.


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But the sad part, some people just don't care about the actual legal matters and will just huff whatever excuse they can.
It's less not caring and more not understanding.

This thread has very clearly highlighted how little people actually get how courts work.
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So it has begun. Vic has an up hill battle. Defamation has to be proven to the courts. Meaning he has to prove these people purposely made up things in order for him to get fired and lose money. These types of cases are really hard to prove. If Vic was innocent I would want him to win. However I do not believe he is. All these things are going to come and bite him in the ass.
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But why own them? Yes, the concept of the acronym SJW is to highlight those who go overboard with their beliefs of respect, reading into things that honestly aren't there, things with no actual victims, but this isn't one of those cases.

To fight SJWs on EVERY issue means it's not even about the SJWs anymore, you've chosen a side and that side is to treat people like shit for your own amusement. You know you're the problem, there's no wiggling out of it.
If anything, that acronym and full name will remain a divisive thing.
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Old April 20th, 2019, 01:24 PM #469
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Yes, the concept of the acronym SJW is to highlight those who go overboard with their beliefs of respect, reading into things that honestly aren't there, things with no actual victims, but this isn't one of those cases.
You're right. It isn't at all, but that's not going to stop people from claiming it is. "SJW" has been a bogey-man term for a while now and it's thrown around pretty wantonly in response to any kind of progressive rhetoric, even stuff like "women should be treated better" which would've been considered tepid even in 1998.

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To fight SJWs on EVERY issue means it's not even about the SJWs anymore, you've chosen a side and that side is to treat people like shit for your own amusement.
It's about staying in their bubble and maintaining a false sense of innocence. Because if you concede that Vic hurt people, it forces you to think about if you've hurt people the same way. And if you give out on even one issue like sexual harassment, it usually creates a domino effect where you think about all sorts of other stuff. Then it's really hard to keep that bubble you've lived in your whole life. Scares the shit out of some people. Hence the arguing against everything like you mentioned.

It's less "I'm doing this for amusement" and more "I don't want to accept that the world isn't a perfect meritocracy like I've been taught and that some people have it easier than others."
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It's about staying in their bubble and maintaining a false sense of innocence. Because if you concede that Vic hurt people, it forces you to think about if you've hurt people the same way. And if you give out on even one issue like sexual harassment, it usually creates a domino effect where you think about all sorts of other stuff. Then it's really hard to keep that bubble you've lived in your whole life. Scares the shit out of some people. Hence the arguing against everything like you mentioned.
Why is it so hard to just kick people out of your bubble, though? Mignogna's a creep, so why not throw him under the bus and go on in your blissful ignorance? Why fight for him when it just causes even more disruption to your bubble? If your worldview is already based in a blindness to double standards, what's one more double standard for the pile?
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Why is it so hard to just kick people out of your bubble, though? Mignogna's a creep, so why not throw him under the bus and go on in your blissful ignorance?
That's how it was for a while. Lots of the people who defend Vic now were the same people who used to say "Tsk, that's just one guy" or "Not all men." But it's really hard to say that kind of stuff now since it's becoming apparent how common this shit really is. Nobody buys that anymore.
It's too much mental gymnastics for them to defend some guys and throw others under the bus, so they choose to stonewall and not budge on any of it. "There is no harassment, women are just lying, everything is fine, my house is not on fire."

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Why fight for him when it just causes even more disruption to your bubble? If your worldview is already based in a blindness to double standards, what's one more double standard for the pile?
That's the thing. They're not really preserving their bubble when they do it. That's why we're seeing weirdos who think America needs a monarchy. They're trying so hard not to let their bubble be popped they're literally going backwards in modern thought because that's preferable to them than to "give in" to people changing a world that was going to change one way or another.

To be clear, it's only logical on a surface level. The more you understand the thought process behind people like that, it becomes clear how absolutely panicked and spiteful it all is. I'm speaking from experience because I used to hold thought processes like this.
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Maybe it's just because of my general lazy nature, but if I was going to live in ignorance of these problems, said living would be significantly easier if I actively avoided confrontations about it, even when accounting for the fact that the rest of the world is bringing up the subject with increasing frequency. I guess I'm just so unmotivated that I can't understand how these people are motivating themselves.
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Apparently, in the investigation that was conducted, there was some story between Monica, Vic, and a jellybean. Honestly, search it up but apparently, that was one of the points that got Funimation to consider firing Vic.
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Apparently, in the investigation that was conducted, there was some story between Monica, Vic, and a jellybean. Honestly, search it up but apparently, that was one of the points that got Funimation to consider firing Vic.
Which from my understanding (and for a little bit of context) it was Vic making a suggestive comment to Monica that evolved equating her to a delicious jellybean dessert.

...yeah I don't get why jellybeans either.
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that evolved equating her to a delicious jellybean dessert.
I'm just...so very confused by the jellybean line.
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Which from my understanding (and for a little bit of context) it was Vic making a suggestive comment to Monica that evolved equating her to a delicious jellybean dessert.

...yeah I don't get why jellybeans either.
And of course now his supporters are mocking her for starting this all over a jellybean despite the fact that was just the last incident not the only one.
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That jellybean shit is so disgusting. People need to realize he was referring to her in a sexual way. It was sexual harassment. If people don't want "pet" names you don't do it. Vic is looking more and more like a sexual predator instead of a moron who did stupid things.
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Vic is looking more and more like a sexual predator instead of a moron who did stupid things.
Because he was always a sexual predator, that's what the supporters refuse to get. EVERYTHING he did this entire time was intentional.

There was no misunderstanding or overt friendliness, it's complete and utter devaluing of women.
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Treating the jellybean anecdote like it's a joke reminds me of Van Halen's "no brown M&M's" clause and how people would act like it was them being uppity and demanding when their reason for it was pretty smart and well-founded. Easy to dismiss subtext if a silly candy is involved, I guess.
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AkaPrimoKanyeWest wrote: View Post

I get supporting a barely famous person, I don't get hating on the other barely famous people involved here who are outing him.

It has to be like everyone else is saying, that the fans actually think Vic's cool because he's a womanizer and hate that it's finally being shamed in American society.
It's a bizarre situation to consider. Anime is the last real media format spitting out this kind of behavior regularly. Most other media only tell stories where that behavior is made to seem wrong, or specifically go out of their way to use that behavior to anger people. Anime culture doesn't see a problem because Anime constantly reinforces that behavior as funny, acceptable, and even an attribute of the protagonist most of the time. No one ever gets truly criticized or faces consequences for womanizing, making lewd comments, trying to sneak a peek, or steal underpants or whatever else it is they let old men/goofy sidekicks get away with in anime. It's a reality check conflict at its root.

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Plus, the SLAPP-style lawsuit angle he's going for here only works for public figures of huge popularity, IE how Hulk Hogan was able to shut down Gawker. Vic Mignogna is a well-known figure in the industry but not big enough for his position as a public figure to do anything but make this lawsuit harder for him specifically.

It's going to be very hard for him to make a meaningful case of defamation or libel when he's personally admitted to having crossed a line in some of his public tweets.
To be fair, Gawker did a lot wrong to let Hogan win that case. If Hogan had Vic's case and evidence, he'd have never made it to trial.

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But why own them?
That is the great question of the internet age.

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Which from my understanding (and for a little bit of context) it was Vic making a suggestive comment to Monica that evolved equating her to a delicious jellybean dessert.

...yeah I don't get why jellybeans either.
He probably thought he was being clever or had jellybeans nearby which then made him think he was being smooth and clever at the same time. I think everything about this case or even just listening to him talk in general shows how much this guy's ego and confidence are running things for him.
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