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Old April 21st, 2019, 06:04 PM #481
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Anime culture doesn't see a problem because Anime constantly reinforces that behavior as funny, acceptable, and even an attribute of the protagonist most of the time. No one ever gets truly criticized or faces consequences for womanizing, making lewd comments, trying to sneak a peek, or steal underpants or whatever else it is they let old men/goofy sidekicks get away with in anime. It's a reality check conflict at its root.
This is a good point. Even in modern anime, a character flaring his nostrils and reaching for a girl's tits unprompted never prompts much more than a wack to the head or getting dragged away by the ear. Like it's a nuisance instead of genuinely humiliating.

And when you're a guy whose career is based around voicing pubescent anime guys... it isn't hard to imagine that kind of attitude soaking into your brain.
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It's a bizarre situation to consider. Anime is the last real media format spitting out this kind of behavior regularly. Most other media only tell stories where that behavior is made to seem wrong, or specifically go out of their way to use that behavior to anger people. Anime culture doesn't see a problem because Anime constantly reinforces that behavior as funny, acceptable, and even an attribute of the protagonist most of the time. No one ever gets truly criticized or faces consequences for womanizing, making lewd comments, trying to sneak a peek, or steal underpants or whatever else it is they let old men/goofy sidekicks get away with in anime. It's a reality check conflict at its root.


Didn't that actually come up recently when Dragon Ball Super returned Roshi to his old perverted nature and a ton of people in the west got creeped out?
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Didn't that actually come up recently when Dragon Ball Super returned Roshi to his old perverted nature and a ton of people in the west got creeped out?
From what I recall they're still making jokes about Bulma's boobs...
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This is a good point. Even in modern anime, a character flaring his nostrils and reaching for a girl's tits unprompted never prompts much more than a wack to the head or getting dragged away by the ear. Like it's a nuisance instead of genuinely humiliating.
Well, considering its country of origin is the same one that separated train travel by gender due to rampant molestation, such an attitude being institutionalized is no shock.


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Didn't that actually come up recently when Dragon Ball Super returned Roshi to his old perverted nature and a ton of people in the west got creeped out?
He didn't just return to perversion, he went full-on assault in a couple of scenes.
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Because he was always a sexual predator, that's what the supporters refuse to get. EVERYTHING he did this entire time was intentional.

There was no misunderstanding or overt friendliness, it's complete and utter devaluing of women.
And what even pisses me off is that in addition to refusing to get the history of his predatory behaviour, his supporters have demonised not just Monica and Jamie but also MarzGurl for their comments about him on Twitter.

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And what even pisses me off is that in addition to refusing to get the history of his predatory behaviour, his supporters have demonised not just Monica and Jamie but also MarzGurl for their comments about him on Twitter.
as we learned in 2016, the public will readily believe lies about a woman rather than accept the truths about a man.
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Old April 22nd, 2019, 06:14 AM #487
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As we learned in 2016, the public will readily believe lies about a woman rather than accept the truths about a man.
But my point on that his supporters have demonised them via Twitter still stands.
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Old April 22nd, 2019, 06:34 AM #488
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And what even pisses me off is that in addition to refusing to get the history of his predatory behaviour, his supporters have demonised not just Monica and Jamie but also MarzGurl for their comments about him on Twitter.
It's not demonizing, if you never see them as human to begin with. The alt-right and its complimentary movements are a mix of anti-social and pseudo-science.

It's a framework of caricatures. This is why buzzwords are so commonly used when referring to people.

"Those thots are just noisy, and don't know how to appreciate a good Chad."

That's the framework. Of course they slandered MarzGurl, they'd slander their own mother if the opportunity presented itself.

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Old April 22nd, 2019, 08:23 AM #489
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It's not demonizing, if you never see them as human to begin with. The alt-right and its complimentary movements are a mix of anti-social and pseudo-science.

It's a framework of caricatures. This is why buzzwords are so commonly used when referring to people.

"Those thots are just noisy, and don't know how to appreciate a good Chad."

That's the framework. Of course they slandered MarzGurl, they'd slander their own mother if the opportunity presented itself.
Okay, I admit that demonisation isn't the right word to describe the actions of his supporters saying stuff against them and even Anime News Network for reporting this on Twitter and that being said, Funimation made the right decision to dismiss him along with Rooster Teeth after said allegations occured.
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Funimation and all parties involved, had better hope that they did everything by the book and didn't fuck up at any point, because that's the only way Vic would come out on top in trying to sue everyone.
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Old April 22nd, 2019, 10:57 AM #491
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Funimation and all parties involved, had better hope that they did everything by the book and didn't fuck up at any point, because that's the only way Vic would come out on top in trying to sue everyone.
For two companies to come to the same conclusion would imply they both found enough proof to kick the bum out.
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Old April 22nd, 2019, 11:08 AM #492
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Funimation and all parties involved, had better hope that they did everything by the book and didn't fuck up at any point, because that's the only way Vic would come out on top in trying to sue everyone.
Considering Vic doesn't seem to be hiring the brightest lawyers in the room and Funimation is backed by Sony Lawyers I think they'll be fine.
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Why is it so hard to just kick people out of your bubble, though? Mignogna's a creep, so why not throw him under the bus and go on in your blissful ignorance? Why fight for him when it just causes even more disruption to your bubble? If your worldview is already based in a blindness to double standards, what's one more double standard for the pile?
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That's how it was for a while. Lots of the people who defend Vic now were the same people who used to say "Tsk, that's just one guy" or "Not all men." But it's really hard to say that kind of stuff now since it's becoming apparent how common this shit really is. Nobody buys that anymore.
It's too much mental gymnastics for them to defend some guys and throw others under the bus, so they choose to stonewall and not budge on any of it. "There is no harassment, women are just lying, everything is fine, my house is not on fire."



That's the thing. They're not really preserving their bubble when they do it. That's why we're seeing weirdos who think America needs a monarchy. They're trying so hard not to let their bubble be popped they're literally going backwards in modern thought because that's preferable to them than to "give in" to people changing a world that was going to change one way or another.

To be clear, it's only logical on a surface level. The more you understand the thought process behind people like that, it becomes clear how absolutely panicked and spiteful it all is. I'm speaking from experience because I used to hold thought processes like this.
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Maybe it's just because of my general lazy nature, but if I was going to live in ignorance of these problems, said living would be significantly easier if I actively avoided confrontations about it, even when accounting for the fact that the rest of the world is bringing up the subject with increasing frequency. I guess I'm just so unmotivated that I can't understand how these people are motivating themselves.
You Can(Not) Escape...is really what these guys need to learn.

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It's a bizarre situation to consider. Anime is the last real media format spitting out this kind of behavior regularly. Most other media only tell stories where that behavior is made to seem wrong, or specifically go out of their way to use that behavior to anger people. Anime culture doesn't see a problem because Anime constantly reinforces that behavior as funny, acceptable, and even an attribute of the protagonist most of the time. No one ever gets truly criticized or faces consequences for womanizing, making lewd comments, trying to sneak a peek, or steal underpants or whatever else it is they let old men/goofy sidekicks get away with in anime. It's a reality check conflict at its root.
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This is a good point. Even in modern anime, a character flaring his nostrils and reaching for a girl's tits unprompted never prompts much more than a wack to the head or getting dragged away by the ear. Like it's a nuisance instead of genuinely humiliating.

And when you're a guy whose career is based around voicing pubescent anime guys... it isn't hard to imagine that kind of attitude soaking into your brain.
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Well, considering its country of origin is the same one that separated train travel by gender due to rampant molestation, such an attitude being institutionalized is no shock.
...and there's nothing any of us can do about it.

Japan is intent on keeping that language and cultural barrier as high as possible, and seemingly doesn't care what people outside of their country says about them. Any efforts to say otherwise will result in either pulling the "I'm sorry, I don't speak English" card, or "Go away, Westerners. You're not Japanese. You JUST don't get it..."

Loud noises of #BoycottAnime will just result in them shrugging with a "OK, you guys were never apart of our core customer base anyways. We don't NEED your money." And even if we did pull a #BoycottAnime, all that would do is hurt the liscensors on our side of the world (Funimation, Viz Media, Crunchyroll, etc)...which ultimately at the end of the day, they're just the middlemen, and we'd be shooting the messenger.

If you want Japan to change, they need to change themselves. Not be forced to change because we needle them for it. All we can do is police bad behavior that happens over here with peoples within our reach.

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Old June 12th, 2019, 01:41 PM #494
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Funimation deny Vic's allegations

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...awsuit/.147763
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I was reading analysis of this lawsuit by a lawyer on Twitter. One of the main hurdles that's going to stop the lawsuit before it goes anywhere meaningful is that claims of defamation don't count if the defendants had probable reason to make the accusations against the plaintiff. In other words, if Monica Rial and the countless other accusers just said Vic was a piece of shit or creep without explaining why, that'd be more viable. But that's not what happened since their claims come from them explaining "he behaved [X] way around me" or "he said [X] to me." On top of that, the fact these things have been said about him for years and he's only just now suing people is going to make his lawyer's case even harder.

The real question is how far this skipping rock is going to patter over the pond before it sinks, rather than if it makes it to the other side.
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He also publically apologized admitting the gist of the allegations is true, he will be laughed out of court. His hack lawyers probably thought Funimation and the individuals sued would settle, as soon as that didn't happen Vic was screwed.
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He also publically apologized admitting the gist of the allegations is true, he will be laughed out of court. His hack lawyers probably thought Funimation and the individuals sued would settle, as soon as that didn't happen Vic was screwed.
Yeah, he diminished his case, to the extent he ever had one, by talking about the allegations in public.
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Vic's ex-fiancee's full email to him has been made public as part of the trial...



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Yeesh, Vic's lawyer actually took the case to trial? Is the lawyer an idiot?
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Dayum, that woman can write.

She made everything she went through feel so palpable.
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