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Old March 5th, 2019, 04:37 PM #41
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I had to go back to my OP to see what the original street date even was. It's been so long that I didn't even remember...
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Jesus... what's taking it so long? I'd actually completely forgotten about it for the time being until I saw this thread again.
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Right? I don't get it either... Mario was even on this thread mentioning that they were gonna use the exact same masters/tapes they had from Saban back in the day, so I don't understand this 5-month delay.
Unless something changed with the Hasbro takeover and they aren't allowed to have the old Saban Entertainment logo on the discs, so they had to make new masters, but I'm really just speculating here.
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but you can't improve any mmpr eps for HD. there are no film masters, only what was found on tapes. which as we all know degrades over time. so any work they would do, i honestly dont think would make any difference. i would of liked power rangers sd content on bluray. not because of better bitrates, but less space to occupy shelves. besides, bluray discs just last longer then dvds.
You can not remaster MMPR in genuine HD without redoing the VFX.

You can improve MMPR and present it in HD, and we would all rebuy it and enjoy it like never before.

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If anyone's seen Dekaranger on Bluray, you'll know that SD content on BD looks better.
Dekaranger was upscaled for Toei Channel and BD. Several Toei hero programs were upscaled for broadcast on Toei Chanel, and while they have issues, they are a viable way to enjoy the show. Digimon Adventure suffers a simmilar fate on BD, but it's noticeably blurrier.

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*** Video Track Parameters ***
- Format: H.264/MPEG-4 AVC
- Bitrate: Max.: 39.0 Mbps / Average: 25.3 Mbps / Min.: ---
- Frame rate (fps): Max.: Undefined / Average: 29.970 / Min.: Undefined
- Encoding profile: High@L4.1
- Image size: 1920*1080
- Pixel Aspect Ratio: Undefined
- Display Aspect Ratio: 16:9
- Interlacing: Macroblock-Level Adaptive Frame/Field


Glad this got bumped, I missed the news. (I just ordered the Shout steelbooks, but I'm a sucker!)

Regarding "SD on BD looks better" - not always. Samurai Pizza Cats - also from Saban, also from 1993 - looks worse on SD BD. Screenshots are subjective, but when you just look at the first episode's bitrate, the DVD is 7 607 Kbps, while the Bluray's is 5 232 Kbps.

Upscaling is more than viable for commercial releases, and upscaling algorithms are always improving. My recent VHS rips looks better than some of the DVDs, because I care to make it look good.

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I still don't understand how such a thing would get past Quality Control, both at Saban Brands or Shout Factory... unless there was no QC at all
It passed because we still bought it.

And we bought it again.

Some bought it again.

Some more bought it again.

And here we are, talking about buying the same show again, with the same issues.

Who cares that half of Beetleborgs is ghosted? Who cares that Dairanger is ghosted? Who cares that 4 seasons are MONO? Who cares about MMPR's overscan being cropped? LOL #nitpicking #firstworldproblems #getalife

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It's debatable as to whether or not MMPR could be improved for Bluray.
On one hand, like another member said, they didn't film using "film". It was tape so they don't have decent masters to scan in the first place.
Star Trek TNG is a good example at this point. Star Trek TNG was filmed on " Film" but all the VFX was mastered onto tape. When they released their original DVD's, what you had was the tape remasters and so the quality was poor.
When they went to bluray however, what they decided to do was go back to the film and luckily Paramount supported them and gave them a budget to redo the whole special effects to produce a nice HD presentation.
You can't do that with Power rangers unfortunately.

That's said...
I still believe you can get much better quality than the shout box-sets because if you look at the previous German sets and the Disney released "Best of Power Rangers" dvd, the quality is much higher on those in my opinion and I think it was proven by higher bitrates per ep.
But we know Disney destroyed a lot of Power Rangers history. Did they destroy the best master tapes for use in turning MMPR into high quality DVD's?

I'm really hoping that this new German set utilises those masters that the original German set utilised because not only because of the high quality but also they used versions of season 3 episodes that I preferred (ancient zords while referring to shogunzords before they are officially named etc). Fingers crossed.
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As far as I understand, Power Rangers was definitely show on 16mm film and not on tape!
Remastering it would be the exact same as Star Trek TOS/TNG (expensive!).
What I honestly doubt is that those original film reels still exist somewhere... plus there's the added "bonus" of having to get that japanese footage on film/in HD as well.
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It passed because we still bought it.
And we bought it again.
Some bought it again.
Some more bought it again.
And here we are, talking about buying the same show again, with the same issues.

Who cares that half of Beetleborgs is ghosted? Who cares that Dairanger is ghosted? Who cares that 4 seasons are MONO? Who cares about MMPR's overscan being cropped? LOL #nitpicking #firstworldproblems #getalife
There's a balance. Being nit-picky is not a good attitude for life, as life is not perfect. Expecting perfection in life only leads to misery.

But at the same time, nearly all of these issues could have been avoided if the companies had taken care. And we are paying good money for this stuff.

It's true we keep on buying it but that's because there isn't an alternative. People drive cars not because they love pollution, but because there isn't a viable alternative at the moment.

I was very excited to shell out my hard earned cash for the Legacy collection, so to see that MMAR to TurboS1 was riddled with ghosting issues to the extent that it made the characters look like they had double heads. I mean, yeah, it's a first world problem. And I am certainly not going to be miserable over it. But, I don't think it's wrong to expect a company to provide a good service for the money they charge.

I didn't have an issue with things like mono and over-cropping (In fact, I can't even spot it no matter how hard I try), but I am happy that they are people who are raising these things so companies can do better.
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Glad this got bumped, I missed the news. (I just ordered the Shout steelbooks, but I'm a sucker!)
You can always send the set back when it gets to you, now that you know the quality sucks.
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Rather than make this point 20 lines deep, I'll say it up top:

Fans were more concerned with thanking Brian Ward, than they were concerned with constructive feedback. Fans actively criticized those giving feedback as 'nitpicky'.

We finally got box sets, why complain?
We finally got BB and VR and Sentai, why complain?
Why don't I like nice people who give me nice things? Why am I complaining?

If people are allowed to - and supposed to - show love & support for these why is it unreasonable to be upset? Do we box away bad feelings?

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There's a balance. Being nit-picky is not a good attitude for life, as life is not perfect. Expecting perfection in life only leads to misery.
I torture myself with perfectionism. I don't put that expectation on others. I appreciate that critique comes across as nicpicking, and all nitpicking comes across as dissatisfaction.

It's impossible for me to say "I love having Beetleborgs DVDs" without also saying "these transfers are trash".

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But at the same time, nearly all of these issues could have been avoided if the companies had taken care. And we are paying good money for this stuff.
The overscan crop, the ghosting, and the mono were not issues that had to be 'carefully' avoided. They were each blunders, and any one of them would have gotten me fired if I wasn't hiding behind a well-loved publisher.

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It's true we keep on buying it but that's because there isn't an alternative. People drive cars not because they love pollution, but because there isn't a viable alternative at the moment.
Guilty. Except I take transit. But still guilty.

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I was very excited to shell out my hard earned cash for the Legacy collection, so to see that MMAR to TurboS1 was riddled with ghosting issues to the extent that it made the characters look like they had double heads. I mean, yeah, it's a first world problem. And I am certainly not going to be miserable over it. But, I don't think it's wrong to expect a company to provide a good service for the money they charge.
"First world problem" is a fallacy. You made a first-world purchase.

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I didn't have an issue with things like mono and over-cropping (In fact, I can't even spot it no matter how hard I try), but I am happy that they are people who are raising these things so companies can do better.
Have you listened the show with headphones?

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You can always send the set back when it gets to you, now that you know the quality sucks.
I bought it for the BD, knowing what the rest of the discs were.

I also bought it from a third party. Shout only ships this set to US addresses.
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What was really annoying about the ghosting is that Lisa J pointed it out to Brian (in a NPS interview) that the netflix version had bad ghosting BEFORE the Zeo DVDs were made. And he just gave her an almost patronising response of "DVDs are better than Netflix, so don't you worry". If he only he had listened to her and checked the masters Saban supplied....
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It's funny to consider how much effort went into digitizing "Green Ranger Kata", while the series proper didn't get half as much love.

Bit the bullet, and ordered the BD. Also ordered the Goosebumps SD BD from a few months ago - it's listed under "Gasenhaut".

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Regarding "SD on BD looks better" - not always. Samurai Pizza Cats - also from Saban, also from 1993 - looks worse on SD BD. Screenshots are subjective, but when you just look at the first episode's bitrate, the DVD is 7 607 Kbps, while the Bluray's is 5 232 Kbps.
No disrespect meant by this, but I don't think it's fair to compare bitrates in that way. The DVDs were encoded with MPEG-2 and the Blu-rays with AVC - a much more efficient codec that can allow better quality with lower bitrates and thus smaller file sizes. You have to remember that you can encode anything at a high bitrate, but it'll only ever look as good as the source.

I haven't compared the Samurai Pizza Cats release personally, but SD-on-BD does have potential to look better - IF it's done right. What could have gone wrong, as you've mentioned, is that they used the MPEG-2 DVD encodes of the show and then compressed them again with AVC for the Blu-ray. That would be a very lazy way of doing things, but I suppose perfectly acceptable for a niche release like this.

I can't see SD-on-BD catching on personally. The fact things can be presented as progressive is promising, but I can't see many situations where that would be necessary. I guess the fact that you can present stuff in its native framerate too.
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So, would you say thet MMPR in Netflix looks better than the Shout discs? What about Zeo, Turbo and the next ones?
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So, would you say thet MMPR in Netflix looks better than the Shout discs? What about Zeo, Turbo and the next ones?
Stick with the DVDs, Netflix uses the same masters. If you don't notice any issues, don't let it impact your viewing experience.

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That would be a very lazy way of doing things, but I suppose perfectly acceptable for a niche release like this.
DVD | BD (note the weaker lines and bleeding colour)



It certainly wasn't a new transfer. (DVD above, BD below)






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It's funny to consider how much effort went into digitizing "Green Ranger Kata", while the series proper didn't get half as much love.

Bit the bullet, and ordered the BD. Also ordered the Goosebumps SD BD from a few months ago - it's listed under "Gasenhaut".
What effort lol

(The Green Ranger Kata transfer Shout! did has absolutely horrid picture quality... like it's super awful. I have no clue what equipment they used to transfer it, but yikes. I did screenshot comparisons against my transfer and the clarity differences between the two are night and day.)
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What I meant to say is, if you search "kata" across the various Shout DVD threads, you'll find disproportionate discussion about that special - versus the number of people who actually sat down and watched Green Ranger Kata.

The majority of people only watch the series-proper, and that's where most of the issues are.

Reminder that JDF's bootleg was also better than Shout's transfer. There's no excuse for that.
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That's such a shame! Is it possible they used some software filters for the DVD release to try and tidy things up, but didn't bother for the BD?

As I said though, SD-on-BD does have potential to look the same or better if done right. It's a shame releases like that don't do much to reassure people. Lots of lazy must have been involved in that release.

RE: Shout's methods... The Zeo Serial is a major irk of mine. We had a few people willing to offer up their 1st hand VHS recordings of this stuff, but in the end Shout opted to take a low-res, low-bitrate DivX/XviD encode from the early '00s from someone instead. A shame, given we could have had it with better video and audio quality.

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I still have a doubt. Would you guys say the German Dvd's audio is better for the domestic versions? Also, what about MMPR, is it better in Netflix? I know from Zeo to Lost Galaxy is mono, so the audio stereo in Netflix is better, right? What would you guys recomend?
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That's such a shame! Is it possible they used some software filters for the DVD release to try and tidy things up, but didn't bother for the BD?
It's doubtful.

Why not fix the tearing in episode 1? That tape artifact is the first thing viewers see.

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As I said though, SD-on-BD does have potential to look the same or better if done right. It's a shame releases like that don't do much to reassure people. Lots of lazy must have been involved in that release.
Fewer discs, smaller packaging, easier to ship.

BDs aren't cheap, but these are a new kind of budget release. The German (dual audio!) SDBD for Goosebumps is significantly cheaper than DVD.

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RE: Shout's methods... The Zeo Serial is a major irk of mine. We had a few people willing to offer up their 1st hand VHS recordings of this stuff, but in the end Shout opted to take a low-res, low-bitrate DivX/XviD encode from the early '00s from someone instead. A shame, given we could have had it with better video and audio quality.
"Shout listens to fans", except when they display a total unawareness of issues.

I don't even need to list a bunch, just Zyu 2.

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I still have a doubt. Would you guys say the German Dvd's audio is better for the domestic versions? Also, what about MMPR, is it better in Netflix? I know from Zeo to Lost Galaxy is mono, so the audio stereo in Netflix is better, right? What would you guys recomend?
Unless you just stream, and run the risk of PR leaving Netflix, things will be impartial. Cut scenes, missing audio, different sources - it's a mess, and you need to do some legwork.

Going off memory, I think the MMPR German sets were pitched up but weren't sped-up. This issue also effects the Saban film "Casper: a Spirited Beginning" - the NTSC DVD is 29 fps but has PAL-pitch audio. The Shout MMPR sets sound just fine. I would wait for the SD BD, before you decide.

The German Zeo set is your best bet. (If I recall, an episode of the Shout/Netflix version has audio issue not present on this set)

Turbo has half a dozen episodes that fall out of sync.

In Space has a few broken episodes, in addition, many of the battle cries are lifted from the German audio. It's a surreal, distracting experience. I still remember what German Andros sounds like.

Lost Galaxy has no dual-audio set, Netflix will be the way to go if you want stereo.

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I bought it for the BD, knowing what the rest of the discs were.

I also bought it from a third party. Shout only ships this set to US addresses.
Well now you can really send it back now that the Blu-ray is now getting a stand-alone release. Additionally, Shout! Factory ships only within North America. So you, being in Canada, would have been able to order from them and they'd have shipped to you.
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