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Old June 6th, 2019, 10:56 AM #61
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The one show I was looking forward to, and it's already gone. >_<
And all because someone couldn't check on paperwork.
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Old June 6th, 2019, 11:00 AM #62
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Old June 6th, 2019, 11:11 AM #63
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And all because someone couldn't check on paperwork.
I'd rather hear an interview than settle on a tweetstorm.

If your entire production rests on a discount, it was something you had no business producing in the first place.
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Tweetstorm? Did you read ALL the tweets? Two of them linked to a local newspaper website. It's true, the accountants can't do maths.
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Tweetstorm? Did you read ALL the tweets? Two of them linked to a local newspaper website. It's true, the accountants can't do maths.
I didn't say it was fake, I said I want to hear it from the people involved instead of a bunch of fringe reporting. Details get lost when it's from those who weren't involved.
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Old June 9th, 2019, 04:37 PM #66
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So even James Wan doesn't know whats going on
https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/06/09/...-cancellation/
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So even James Wan doesn't know whats going on
https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/06/09/...-cancellation/
That article includes what might very well be the real reason for the cancellation, it cost $8 million per episode, that's a ridiculous amount of money for a series based on a z list character.
Gotham cost $4 million per episode and that's based on Batman, one of the most popular comic book characters and tnat show had very high production values and looked incredible.
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Well now Harley Quinn is the only DC Universe show I care about now. How long until they fuck that one up as well?
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Old June 10th, 2019, 11:44 PM #69
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As you all know by now, DC Universe’s ‘Swamp Thing’ series has been cancelled. Amid varying accusations of what went down behind the scenes, from tax paperwork errors to a colossal budget, The GWW spoke to several people close to production on the series about what actually happened.

When WarnerMedia and AT&T first saw footage from the series, they were not pleased. Certain executives found that they did not care for the direction of the show enough to continue supporting its sizable budget (around $80 million), and decided in March to stop production early. Production halted just after filming was completed on episode ten of the series. Around mid-April, reshoots on episodes two, four, seven, and ten. A new ending was written for the season (now series) finale, and production wrapped for good on May 1st.

Initially, crew members were told to start tearing down sets on May 2nd. However, things changed on April 22nd, when it was announced sets were to stay up for the time being. The reason? Different networks, including HBO and The CW (who save since passed on the series), were looking at picking it up for a second season, while WarnerMedia and AT&T were still mulling over their options. It was ultimately the group effort of executive producers James Wan, Gary Dauberman, and Mark Verheiden, and DC themselves, that were pushing Warner Bros. to reconsider the cancellation. They decided to wait until mid-June to make a final decision. But, Warners decided to pull the plug early last week: this was expected but it is unknown why they did it so early. The swamp set is currently being taken down in North Carolina.

Sources also stress that the new leadership at WarnerMedia are very keen on doing more shows in the formulaic style of The CW’s ‘Arrow’ and ‘The Flash,’ and less shows like ‘Doom Patrol’ and ‘Swamp Thing.’ One source even says that Len Wiseman (‘Underworld,’ ‘Live Free or Die Hard’) was hired as director to make the show seem like more of a procedural. This tactic wound up backfiring as Wiseman put his own horror spin on the series, which execs were very displeased with. Disney’s upcoming streaming service is said to have spooked WarnerMedia as well.

One more funny tidbit, the producers wanted actress Crystal Reed, who plays Abby Arcane, to dye her hair blonde to be more in line with the comics, and she told them no. The day the cancellation was announced, she made an Instagram post showing off her new blonde hair with the caption “the rebellion,” as a way to give one last middle finger to the studio.
https://thegww.com/swamp-thing-insid...murky-monster/

So, this show got cancelled because the execs wanted more the CW formula. Never mind the fact that one of the reasons the shows on DCU are appealing to many is that they don't do that formula and the fact that formula has been beaten into the ground at this point.
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Now THAT explains why you cancel a show that just started.

Executive meddling is and has always been a thing, and the worst thing in the world. R.I.P. Swamp Thing.
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So, this show got cancelled because the execs wanted more the CW formula. Never mind the fact that one of the reasons the shows on DCU are appealing to many is that they don't do that formula and the fact that formula has been beaten into the ground at this point.
How many are they appealing to exactly? Without numbers that's a meaningless statement.
And the CW formula is very succesful and has made WB a lot of money for years especially internationally and they don't cost $8 million per episode. You can call it beaten into the ground but it still works.

There's also the fact that only two episodes have been released so far, so maybe the executives are right and it's actually a bad show, we'll have to wait and see.
Unlike us they also have numbers both for DC Universe subscribers, how many subscribers actually watched and international sales so even if the show's decent it might not be sustainable.

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Now THAT explains why you cancel a show that just started.

Executive meddling is and has always been a thing, and the worst thing in the world. R.I.P. Swamp Thing.
I really don't like the term "executive meddling", being involved in the production and having a voice is their job. You don't call it "director meddling" when they tell an actor how to do a scene, right?
We should also remember that the vast majority of "stupid executive suggestion" stories come from writers/directors because they are the ones getting interviewed or talk at conventions, that distorts the picture we get because they are less likely to tell a story where they came up with an awful idea and had an executive fix it.

Of course some executives are complete hacks and do their best to ruin something but don't make me drag out Zack Snyder to prove that writers/directors can do that to.

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How many are they appealing to exactly? Without numbers that's a meaningless statement.
And the CW formula is very succesful and has made WB a lot of money for years especially internationally and they don't cost $8 million per episode. You can call it beaten into the ground but it still works.

There's also the fact that only two episodes have been released so far, so maybe the executives are right and it's actually a bad show, we'll have to wait and see.
Unlike us they also have numbers both for DC Universe subscribers, how many subscribers actually watched and international sales so even if the show's decent it might not be sustainable.


I really don't like the term "executive meddling", being involved in the production and having a voice is their job. You don't call it "director meddling" when they tell an actor how to do a scene, right?
We should also remember that the vast majority of "stupid executive suggestion" stories come from writers/directors because they are the ones getting interviewed or talk at conventions, that distorts the picture we get because they are less likely to tell a story where they came up with an awful idea and had an executive fix it.

Of course some executives are complete hacks and do their best to ruin something but don't make me drag out Zack Snyder to prove that writers/directors can do that to.
Not the best example given the issues behind the scenes had as much, if not more, to do with how bad things turned out there. Snyder just makes for a convenient scapegoat.

Executive meddling is referring to executives stepping and making unneeded decisions not simply them having a voice.

Report: Swamp Thing Could Have Run for 3 Seasons and Led to a Justice League: Dark Spinoff

But what’s really interesting are Business Insider’s reported details of what might have been:

One source close to the production told Business Insider that the show had a possible three-season arc, and the feeling on set was that it could have gone past that if it was a hit, with characters spinning off into their own shows. The source used the specific example of a potential Justice League Dark team-up series.

The unnamed producer also added that while the public might be in the dark about whatever discussions were had about Swamp Thing’s budget, WB was perfectly clear on how much the show was going to cost and how much North Carolina was going to commit in the form of tax rebates.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-swamp...-le-1835409277
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I love that they're ironing home the point that North Carolina did nothing wrong here.
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DC have made an official statement.


You can't make this up...

"A million thanks for your patience. We understand this has not been an easy time for you as fans, and I will do my best to provide you with a satisfying answer"

When asked about why the series was canceled, the DC Universe staffer said "unfortunately we are not in a position to answer at this time."
...So a most unsatisfactory non-answer then.

https://www.newsarama.com/45549-dc-u...eculation.html
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Old June 12th, 2019, 07:06 AM #75
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DC have made an official statement.


You can't make this up...



...So a most unsatisfactory non-answer then.

https://www.newsarama.com/45549-dc-u...eculation.html
So DC might not even know then?
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So DC might not even know then?
Of course they know, they just don't want to be honest because that means badmouthing their bosses at Warner Bros.
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