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Old March 15th, 2019, 04:28 PM #4341
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. An easier solution would have been for more care to have been taken from the beginning to not diverge too much from continuity. Or, even easier still, to set the show after the TNG-Voyager era, so they didn't have to worry about making a show with newer technology and production values line up with a series that was made 50 years ago on a slimmer budget.
But they couldn't leach off of the nostalgia of the OG series that way. We can't have that.
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Season 1 seemed like it just didn't give a shit. Then someone at CBS directed the producers to make it fit better to appease fans, and now season 2 is having to take time and go out of its way to try to reconcile the inconsistencies. An easier solution would have been for more care to have been taken from the beginning to not diverge too much from continuity. Or, even easier still, to set the show after the TNG-Voyager era, so they didn't have to worry about making a show with newer technology and production values line up with a series that was made 50 years ago on a slimmer budget.
Continuity and Star Trek are not something that goes hand and hand. There are a ton of continuity errors that had to be fixed later on. Also CBS fired who was responsible for all the problems. Which is why so many changes are happening in season 2.
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Continuity and Star Trek are not something that goes hand and hand. There are a ton of continuity errors that had to be fixed later on.
There are continuity errors, and then there's just having no regard for what came before. If Discovery was getting little details wrong, that would be one thing. But completely ignoring the aesthetics of the universe and the level of technological development in the time frame when the show was set is a whole other thing.

An error would be, "Oh, this episode says Sarek married Amanda in 2227 but a different episode says they married in 2229." Not giving a shit is saying, "Deep Space Nine introduced holographic communicators in season 5 but this show is set 100 years earlier but fuck it we're going to have our characters use holographic communicators because we think holograms are cool and also Starfleet uniforms will be navy blue track suits with high top sneakers even though other episodes set during this era had velour turtlenecks, black slacks, and leather boots."
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Old March 16th, 2019, 04:49 AM #4344
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I binged S2 after falling away at the start of the season. This dopey show continues to entertain me. Glad to be rid of the Klingons.
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There are continuity errors, and then there's just having no regard for what came before. If Discovery was getting little details wrong, that would be one thing. But completely ignoring the aesthetics of the universe and the level of technological development in the time frame when the show was set is a whole other thing.

An error would be, "Oh, this episode says Sarek married Amanda in 2227 but a different episode says they married in 2229." Not giving a shit is saying, "Deep Space Nine introduced holographic communicators in season 5 but this show is set 100 years earlier but fuck it we're going to have our characters use holographic communicators because we think holograms are cool and also Starfleet uniforms will be navy blue track suits with high top sneakers even though other episodes set during this era had velour turtlenecks, black slacks, and leather boots."
This is why I'm still astounded they kept it in the Prime timeline instead of the Kelvin timeline (or any other alternate timeline). A few advanced tech things I could buy, but this is a lot of enhanced tech that makes the 24th Century tech look backwards, and it isn't like all of this was super secret.

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Glad to be rid of the Klingons.
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There are continuity errors, and then there's just having no regard for what came before. If Discovery was getting little details wrong, that would be one thing. But completely ignoring the aesthetics of the universe and the level of technological development in the time frame when the show was set is a whole other thing.
Like TMP when they ignored the established klingon look redesigned them?
Like TSFS when they ignored the TMP klimgon look and redesigned them again?
Like TNG when they ignored romulans looking identical to vulcans and gave them forehead ridges?
Like DS9 when they ignored the Trill look and painted dots on Terry Farrell?
Like Voyager when they went to earth in 1996 and there were no eugenic wars and no interstellar space ships like the Botany Bay?
Like FC when they redesigned the borg and changed Zephram Cochrane completely?
Like Enterprise when they redsigned the Tellarites, Andorians, Gorn etc?


An error would be, "Oh, this episode says Sarek married Amanda in 2227 but a different episode says they married in 2229." Not giving a shit is saying, "Deep Space Nine introduced holographic communicators in season 5 but this show is set 100 years earlier but fuck it we're going to have our characters use holographic communicators because we think holograms are cool ...
How is that an error? When was it said on DS9 that holo communicators were never, ever used before? Not even ones that had flickering see through holograms instead of the advanced "Looks like an actor actually being on set" version.

Some technologies come and go and then come again like 3D movies for example, that wasn't new when Cameron released Avatar, the technology was already decades old and like before it fell out of favor and by now barely anyone cares anymore.
That the DS9 holo communicators disappeared after half a season, apparently they tried it, didn't like it a d wemt back to viewscreens. Discovery using holograms doesn't contradict anything.
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Old March 19th, 2019, 07:02 AM #4347
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Anson Mount and Rebecca Romijn have come to the end of their one year contractual commitment and won't be returning as Pike and Number One after this season

https://deadline.com/2019/03/anson-m...-2-1202577741/
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Anson Mount and Rebecca Romijn have come to the end of their one year contractual commitment and won't be returning as Pike and Number One after this season
He's like the Pulaski of Discovery.
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Anson Mount and Rebecca Romijn have come to the end of their one year contractual commitment and won't be returning as Pike and Number One after this season

https://deadline.com/2019/03/anson-m...-2-1202577741/
The Anson Mount regular job curse continues.
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Old March 19th, 2019, 12:00 PM #4350
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I thought Pike had been OK.
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Old March 19th, 2019, 12:12 PM #4351
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He was more than OK, but it was pretty obvious he's not gonna stay.

Romijin, though, had one scene so far?
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He was more than OK, but it was pretty obvious he's not gonna stay.

Romijin, though, had one scene so far?
She'll probably have a bigger role towards the end of the season, now that Discovery is a fugitive ship they'll need help, enter Number One and the Enterprise.
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He's like the Pulaski of Discovery.
Wasn't Lorka already the Pulaski of Discovery?

I wonder if they'll ever have a regular captain. Will Saru or Burnham get promoted?
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Old March 22nd, 2019, 08:32 AM #4354
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man discovery is going to have a new curse the one season captain curse so far enjoying season 2, im bummed about pike tho I really enjoyed this version anson mount portrayed I hope we can come back as a guest later
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This latest really felt like a season 1 episode, in that there was such a massive hole in the characters' plan that I can't believe no one, in the writer's room, no one on the production team, and no character on the show, pointed it out.

The plan to catch the Red Angel made absolutely no sense. Working from the assumption that the Red Angel was Burnham, if Burnham devises the strategy to essentially fake her own death, the Red Angel would know it was a fake out. And it was always going to be a fake out, because they had an entire support crew in the next room ready to revive her if she actually died.

Once it was revealed that the Red Angel isn't Michael Burnham, the plan still falls apart, because there was a whole support team in the next room waiting to revive her. If the Red Angel hadn't appeared, Culber and the others would've rushed in and saved her (once Burnham was sufficiently dead and the Red Angel hadn't appeared, Spock's objections to aiding her would be satisfied and he'd allow her to be revived).

Burnham was never in any actual danger of permanently dying, just of flat-lining and needing to be resuscitated, which it seems 23rd century technology is capable of doing. Therefore, the Red Angel would not take this as a serious threat to her life and wouldn't feel the need to appear to save her.

The only think more ludicrous than the plan itself was the fact that it worked, because the story needed it to. Not only did the Red Angel fall for a trap where the bait made no logical sense, but the Red Angel interceded personally, rather than how it had operated in the past, where it usually used an intermediary, like having Spock tell his parents where Burnham was in the woods.
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hm, so Sara Mitich's character Lt Nillson is now occupying her old character's (Airiam) spot on the bridge...

you gotta wonder what the backstory was behind this...was it an offer to play a character without heavy makeup?

Was she allergic to the makeup? (seemsunlikely since she played Airiam a whole season and it didn't seem to be an issue...Airiam hadn't played a major role in the series until the episode a week ago)

seems strange they recast rather than let her play Airiam out (it's not like anyone would recognize her without the makeup) and they could have gotten around showing Airiam pre-cybernetics if they really wanted
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Burnham was never in any actual danger of permanently dying, just of flat-lining and needing to be resuscitated, which it seems 23rd century technology is capable of doing. Therefore, the Red Angel would not take this as a serious threat to her life and wouldn't feel the need to appear to save her.
Sort of reminiscent of the exocomps in TNG where they would only take action if there was genuine danger.
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Is no one gonna mention the "Time Crystal Elephant" in the room?

I'm used to scientific things being pulled out of writers asses, but this was just a step too far for me. "Time Crystals" have never been a thing in Star Trek to my knowledge, and for them to be talking about them so casually, as if they were an everyday thing, totally ruined any suspension of disbelief for me.
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Is no one gonna mention the "Time Crystal Elephant" in the room?

I'm used to scientific things being pulled out of writers asses, but this was just a step too far for me. "Time Crystals" have never been a thing in Star Trek to my knowledge, and for them to be talking about them so casually, as if they were an everyday thing, totally ruined any suspension of disbelief for me.
Time Crystals???? Is this Star Trek anymore?
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