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Old November 10th, 2013, 07:28 AM #221
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Birth isn't really a scorpion outside this aspect
Birth always use the Scorpion cell medal to transform too, so, there's that.



It's bizarre that out of nowhere Kougami wants to make a movie based on Kamen Rider considering how much he's manipulating Eiji and how the franchise really didn't matter to anyone up to this time with the belt and powers independent outside the consistent franchise and name.
Birth was officially called "Kamen Rider Birth" in the show itself even before those two episodes, although just in on screen text.

OK, the part early on with the arrival of V3 through the Blacks was fun, with the crowd cheering for them and the Owner making his speech about the memories always being there.
In Den-O, time is composed by memories. So, even if the past is changed, it can be restored if people remember what was lost. That's why all the Riders return at that point when Owner talks about memories. But, still, you're right. The movie completely falls apart at the end.

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Birth always use the Scorpion cell medal to transform too, so, there's that.
Yeah I did notice the opening always seemed to show a scorpion medal whenever they showed Birth, so I sort of figured...but it is weird there is nothing scorpion-related to Birth prior to the intro of the scorpion mech made from all his Gachapon components.

In Den-O, time is composed by memories. So, even if the past is changed, it can be restored if people remember what was lost. That's why all the Riders return at that point when Owner talks about memories. But, still, you're right. The movie completely falls apart at the end.
As I said, the part with the Owner talking of the memory of Riders and then seeing V3 through Black/RX as people annouce their arrival was awesome. But then from there it just gets terrible when all the Riders just keep coming...and the randomness of the other heroes appearing to stop General Shadow. (and all the other climax stuff)
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Faiz 41-45:

If the series ended at episode 40, the protagonists would've been more or less happy. Of course Kusaka wouldn't be content with anything around him, and the love triangles would've cause all sorts of tension, but pretty much everything else was at a high point - for the protagonists, it was as close to paradise as they could possibly attain. But time doesn't pause, and as such everything went wrong: not only was their internal situation quite volatile, but external influences that have been plaguing them persisted as everything reached critical levels and that paradise was lost. In fact, the events of this arc were the equivalents of the events of the movie Paradise Lost in this timeline, with several parallels even in a vastly different setting.

Like in the movie, Yuji is tempted and goes through a metaphorical inferno. He breaks his own sacred rule of not attacking humans, and this time is different. He previously attacking Takumi (when he believed Takumi was human) when he thought the ends justified the means, due to Kusaka's deception and other misinformation. But it's no longer a case of that. And it's not just him reverting to his primitive self when he had killed his ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend in a jealous rage. Neigh, it's worse than that: he's disavowed the premise of his ideal, no longer considering the coexistence of humans and Orphenochs worth protecting as he hesitates in saving Detective Sawamura and intentionally kills Agent Minami. For Yuji, it's the opposite of everything that's happened to Takumi: while Takumi was more or less accepted for who he is, despite his own fears that he'd spiral out of control, Yuji was a victim of the expected prejudice and did spiral out of control, despite having supportive allies. And it's that symmetry, with them battling themselves and each other, that's going to put Takumi and Yuji into conflict.

Leave it to Yuka to inadvertently have herself sexually harassed by Keitarou. Trying to escape their real-world problems via a text-message relationship was never a viable solution, and only when those worlds collided did any of the tension resolve itself. It wasn't the happiest of circumstances - she was being hunted by the police, and she did fear that her Orphenoch life would catch up to her, but even when Keitarou found out about that, he didn't mind. And this presents a strange dichotomy. Yuka was afraid that Keitarou wouldn't accept her, but he did accept both her and Takumi: he's fine with individuals who happen to be Orphenochs. But when he was driving down the street and saw an Orphenoch struggling in pain, he immediately called Kusaka and Mihara to deal with it: as Yuka feared, he has prejudice against Orphenochs in general. Keitarou can coexist with individual Orphenochs but not Orphenochs as a group, and with that type of mentality perhaps Yuji's not so crazy. It's moot for Keitarou, though. He had about an episode of his dream relationship before Yuka's past caught up to her and their paradise was ripped from them. While he might not've deserved that relationship, and she might've had to pay for her crimes, her death was traumatic and senseless.

It's not as if the humans as a group have been doing much better than the Orphenochs in moral terms. They see Saeko the Orphenoch attacking Yuka the Orphenoch, and assume the worst about Yuka. Sure, she was a murder suspect, but they presumed her guilt in their attempts to execute her. Then there's Agent Minami, who cares only about his experiments and not about dignity. His ends may be landing in ethical gray area, as his assumption that Orphenochs need to be turned back into humans may not be valid, but his means certainly don't justify it, with him forcibly kidnapping test subjects and inflicting extreme pain without their consent. Even in his dying words as he was slain by Yuji, he stood by his position of the incompatibility of humans and Orphenochs. In these regards, he's no better than Smart Brain who experimented on humans, who did essentially the same thing to the Ryusei School students. Minami can hide behind the law and Smart Brain can hide behind corporate shields, and that's what's scary: none of them have any accountability, even as individuals like Detective Sawamura question their actions. What's worse, the corporation has been able to manipulate the police.

Oh, Kaidou, always managing to screw up and cause all sorts of trouble. Trying to join Smart Brain or Lucky Clover is one thing, but even something as apparently heroic as saving a boy from a burning building managed to blow up in his face. Teruo's not only a boy who can't get along with the other children at the orphanage, but he's also an absolute monster. He has Orphenoch powers, but he's no ordinary Orphenoch: his shadow reveals an adult male while his physique still resembles a human boy, not a lifelessly gray anthropomorphic animal. And he kills without compunction or control; it's even possible he might've started the fire that caused his parents' deaths. Obviously, this boy has some great importance, and Smart Brain has been searching for the Orphenoch King, so that suggests something. The Rider Belts were allegedly created to serve the King, and in a great twist of fate, they did exactly that as the Riders fought the Orphenoch victims, completely unaware of what's at stake.
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Faiz 46-50:

End justiφs the means. Poignant words to cap off the series, but can that claim be substantiated? For the Orphenochs, it's the time to go, as their evolution was accompanied by fatal mutations, ironically natural for something created by such artificial means. Only a self-sustaining instinct to revive the Orphenoch King could save them, at the expense of a few Orphenochs and most humans. This is the true incompatibility; the conflict wasn't about overcoming prejudice as everyone thought it was, but about either letting nature run its course in letting the unfit go extinct, or unnaturally decimating a species, thereby irrevocably changing the niches and ecosystem. It completes the duality symmetry between the series timeline and the movie timeline, with different outcomes about which species gets to dominate; it's implied in the movie that because Orphenochs' lives are long-term sustainable, that the King must've changed the course of fate for everyone. That was prevented in the series, but do the ends justify the means?

One of the mysteries about the Paradise Lost movie is why Takumi was believed to be the savior of humanity. He certainly didn't save the human race (with most of the remaining population ending up dead or on the run), and it was Yuji who died for an ideal (as Takumi probably would've survived like any other Orphenoch). On the other hand, in the finale, Yuji still died to protect humanity, still brought about by Takumi's resolve, but this time Takumi also sealed his own fate. Symmetrically, he's also going to die to save humanity, though anti-symmetrically, it's not immediate and he doesn't have to pay for any crimes. Takumi was faced with several dilemmas as the truth was unraveled: save the people he cares about, or save the Orphenochs he cares about (including himself)? Along with moral quagmires came tough decisions; could Takumi really kill Teruo - who was at that point still mostly a human boy - to prevent humanity's extinction? In Takumi's mind, it all came down to a crucial decision about whether the ends justify the means, and he was visibly shaken up by even trying.

Yuji, on the other hand, didn't have such dilemmas. When he killed Kusaka, it was a cold-blooded decision for personal gain and revenge, just as it was when he killed his ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend. It wasn't a quandary about whether Kusaka was so evil a human that his existence wasn't worth protecting, whether the end justified the means. Neigh, regardless of what fate Kusaka deserved, Yuji made up his mind to execute him because he was in the way. It's a wonder that Father could put so much faith in Yuji's humanity and let his grand plan proceed with that much uncertainty. Especially since when instated as the Smart Brain President, he completely assimilated, working with former enemies and calling Takumi the very thing he had been branded, a traitor. Despite all this, Father believed in Yuji's destiny. Culminating with a climactic showdown between Takumi and Yuji, Faiz and Kaixa, wolf and horse, it took the Blaster Form's Awakening to awaken Yuji - parallel to the events of the movie, perhaps they were inevitable and Yuji's fate was predetermined.

Throughout the series, it's been a recurring theme that no one knows what they're fighting for, resulting in all sorts of conflict and dramatic irony. After all, it's impossible to tell if the ends justify the means without knowing what comes at the end. Even the all-powerful Smart Brain isn't immune to ignorance, especially when it came to indecision about the Orphenoch King in the final arc. But while it was vexing for the corporation, it was especially troubling for the individuals. Kaidou just wanted to save a boy, then wanted to do something productive as a Riotrooper, and he regretted those decisions like any other that he made. Just when he thinks he found a purpose to an otherwise meaningless life, his actions backfire and it's back to status quo, but at the very least his experiences shaped his ideals. And just when Mihara realizes the extent to which people's lives are the planet's future, he discovers the truth about the orphan he's protecting, torn between his guardian instincts and his trust in Takumi despite all his inexplicable actions. For everyone, just having to make a heartbreaking decision - upon being told the truth about the future they believed in falling apart - was the catharsis needed to salvage what they could from a sea of moral gray.

The real victims were the Orphenochs, whether they deserved it or not. Even if Murakami was power-hungry and tried to kill all humans, he's not completely unsympathetic; his goals to preserve himself and his species, and he wasn't completely misguided. Even when ousted from his position as the Smart Brain President, Murakami made a desperate attack as Delta so he could sacrifice himself to the King (appropriate since Delta is associated with addiction, and his mission was an obsession). His motivations parallel Kanzaki Shiro's, except with higher stakes for both the rewards and the costs, making it all the more difficult for everyone to decide whether the ends justify the means. Alas, the decision was made much simpler by the fact that Orphenochs have already died and interfering with the natural order makes things worse. Saeko the psycho, for instance - she may have found immortality, but her fate seems worse than death as she endlessly and probably unsuccessfully tries to re-revive the King, in very much the same vein as Sisyphus. Others accepted the inevitable, like Takuma who chose to atone for his past. On the other hand, the vast majority of Orphenochs had no say in the decision - ones like Kaidou, who just wanted to play the guitar and never really wanted anything to do with Smart Brain or Lucky Clover, or like the pizza shop owner, who just wanted to practice his profession and make people happy. Their plight can be appreciated, with outside forces constantly setting their destiny, their autonomy stripped from them, although it was inevitable that someone's paradise would be lost.
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Faiz Hyper Battle Video: Now for arbitrarily five paragraphs of overanalyzing something insignificant...

Those clothes - at the beginning Takumi, Mari, and Keitarou were wearing white over black, while Yuji, Yuka, and Kaidou were wearing black over white. Not only does it reflect the symmetry between the two trios, but perhaps it also reflects Takumi's subconscious, this being a dream. Based on Keitarou's and Kaidou's hairstyles, the scenes represent a time when Takumi didn't know that Yuji or Kaidou was an Orphenoch, but his dream may accentuate something latent in his mind - after all, by the end, he's the one wearing black over white, and his dreams may be telling him to admit he's an Orphenoch.

Oh my, the Orhpenochs' rendition of "Mary had a Little Lamb". Why did Takumi's dream choose this? Well, "Mary" is rather close to "Mari", and lambs can represent innocence. He may feel that Mari was naive for trusting Sawada, that she needs to be protected from him, or that she doesn't understand Kusaka's motivations. Or maybe Takumi has Yuji, Yuka, and Kaidou singing in such a carefree manner because he thinks they lead such happy lives, as they rarely communicate any of their problems with each other and doesn't know of most of their hardships.

The scheme within the dream was Smart Lady's, and once again her character doesn't develop, no surprise there. The plan wasn't even subtle; Smart Brain was spreading music like a virus, in very much the same manner as they spread Orphenochs. In using a radio, it may have been commentary on the dangers of technology. After all, certain electronics have caused all sorts of trouble - Delta Gear creates addiction, Kaixa Gear kills, cell phones and text messages lead to anonymous relationships. Disguising something so dangerous as something innocuous did represent much of the harsh realities surrounding Takumi.

As expected with the dream, Takumi's the only one capable of saving everyone. Even Yuji, Yuka, and Kaidou battle-dancing as Orphenochs couldn't save Mari or Keitarou, but then Faiz shows up and beats everyone in a superhero cartoon style. His self-elevation might not be entirely unjustified - he was the savior of humanity in an alternate reality, after all. True to the spirit of a Kamen Rider, he took the ruinous radio and turned it into a sound cannon to use against Smart Lady, and like all other technology in the show, it's inherently neither good nor evil until it's used as such.

Mari had always wanted Takumi to find his dream, and considering that the entire sequence was one, there may be something to it. In the dream, the six main characters were living in harmony, both musically and relationship-wise. Perhaps Takumi is subconsciously expressing Yuji's dream of humans and Orphenochs coexisting (and while not even knowing that's exactly Yuji's dream), furthering the symmetry between the two. He may realize that's exactly what he wants to fight for, even as he's constantly battling Orphenoch after Orphenoch, not knowing others share that vision, but it seems to some extent, he wanted to be the savior of humanity.
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OOO 29-32: One thing you have to admit about Kazari's Yummies: the animals he combines do seem to match.

I remember someone once mentioned in an OOO review that "the series is alright...until after the anniversary arc", most likely because it was the last arc done before the Fukushima earthquake seemed to throw off a lot of timing. And with half a season to go and a bit of airing time lost due to the earthquake and the crisis afterwards associated with it, it probably leads to some unexpected turmoil. This definitely seems to be the case when talking about the second two-parter of the arc...which isn't even really a two-parter, but I'll get to that.

Before I do, I have to bring up 29-30, which has some major and important new story elements that seem to just try and back up and reverse certain aspects but makes them all the more confusing. The main story involves Kazari literally testing Maki's "desires" in his obsession with "the end of the world" by creating a Yummy from him to see what happens. What he ends up getting...is a panda/orca fusion that is obsessed with certain kinds of females just like Maki has this obsession with his motherly elder sister. We've known from more or less gags that Maki had feelings for his sister and that it was one of the few who loved him and understood him even with him feeling like an outcast genius; further we know that whenever he meets with Chiyoko, he always seemed to clam up in more comedic ways due to her similarity to his sister. The scenario forces Maki to confront his fears and speak with Chiyoko, which I think was a wise move to sort of help him get out the similarities. But unfortunately the similarities end with their actions and behaviors...and things sort of start getting twisted/dumb within Maki's mind as to how he gets through it. In truth, Maki may love his sister, but it seemed to end the moment she was going to get married; somehow he seems to have never gotten over the fact that she wanted to be with someone other than him and that she tried to use a "doll" to replace her (said doll being the creepy one he keeps on his arm) and he kills her as if he became obsessed with an image that will never be again. I’m not sure I liked that all of the aspects regarding the change in Maki’s sister were completely from his perspective, making us see her as turning into this cold, callous individual just because she was leaving Maki behind. It just either paints Maki as having a narrow view of the world that doesn’t want change and only wants to seal things as they are instead of embracing whatever can and does come, or it paints his sister as “evil” beneath the warm exterior she had all this time. Since we don’t know what Maki’s sister was actually like outside Maki’s own perspective, we’ll never know, but somehow I just sort of see it as Maki being selfish and wanting the way things were and not how they could be compared to the more generous and open ideals of Kougami who always embraces new things and the arrival of the unexpected, even if it is potentially evil or harmful. Its never really revealed whether what Maki did was noble (because she had changed) or selfish (because he didn’t want change and wanted to end it before anything new could happen) and unfortunately we’ll never know without another perspective.

At the same time as we have all of the new Maki revelations, we also get the truth regarding Ankh and who the other “bird Greeed” was…and that just makes things confusing in another way. The idea that somehow Ankh split in two when he was originally sealed was something that probably made the most sense regarding why the heck we have one Ankh with the memories yet just an arm and yet another who was a body and can create Yummies, but has the mentality of a little child. But unfortunately that’s pretty much where it ends: I don’t quite get how the heck the “hand Ankh” ends up in the “container” (which appears to have been made by the former King himself) and the other Ankh ended up standing there with all those Red Core Medals within it. I like the idea that Ankh himself was the guardian of the former King and was the one who seemed to show the most loyalty even when all the other Greeed rebelled against him, since it matches up with his own philosophy of using OOO as his means of getting the Core Medals instead of creating Yummies and causing chaos like the others of his kind. Though with the other Ankh around without any mentality of what the “mind Ankh” is doing, it merely is just a monster doing as its told and acting like a general Greeed creating Yummies for building up medals for it’s own desires…and with it now on the side of Maki and Kazari, that’s not a good thing and is going going to lead to trouble.

With that said, 31-32…as I said above, it really feels like there were supposed to be two two-parters here but something (most likely Fukushima) condensed them into “a two-parter with elements of two fused concepts making it all a mess”. Pt. 1 is a story more typical of what we’ve seen up to now but a bit confusing, involving Uva manipulating a loan operation to build up his Core Medal count slowly compared to Kazari’s works with Maki. Uva is interesting in not wanting to move forwards in the sick methods his former partner has, let alone not wanting to desecrate Mezool and Gamel by inserting other Greeed’s Core Medals into himself. He still wants what is his but rather just have increase his strength behind the scenes using a scheme like this. The story about the boy paying back the daughter of some old teacher was interesting enough but really confusing, particularly with it rather confusing on what he was doing for the loan agency while everyone there was possessed by Waste Yummies. This really felt like a neat idea for a two-parter with the potential of studying the “desire of generosity” being twisted, sort of like the “desire of justice” in the Grasshopper Yummy two-parter…but then we get the other plot in the way and its sort of just…dropped a bit into pt. 2. The story has potential, I just wish it had more time to play out instead of being rushed.

Moving into pt. 2, we finally get the whole concept and threat of the Purple Medals that sort of were initially hinted at in “Nobunaga’s Desire”, but appear to be done in a completely different way than what Inoue threw at us in the movie. While there is a potential for a “dinosaur Greeed” that exists from the existence and sealing of ten complete Purple Core Medals, apparently the Greeed was never created even back during the era of the Core Medals and were sealed before they were able to. Unfortunately with Maki activating them, they appeared to have split, with five in the scientist…and five in Eiji. Considering the whole “conversation” that had been going on up to now of the potential of Eiji to be “the container”, this is the first time that Core Medals have actually inserted themselves into him…and it’s not pretty, making him become more feral like a dinosaur even though they do give him another possible OOO form when used. Strangely, though, the explanation regarding why is interesting enough: while Eiji has his desire of helping people, not everything had been revealed about what happened in Africa, with him actually the son of a powerful politician and with his tragedy of trying to save a village overshadowed by being taken hostage in the midst of this…and his father paying for his release, essentially taking away any passion he had. With this “emptiness” of having no desires due to his greatest one literally being snatched from him by his own family, we finally get an understanding as to why Eiji is able to become OOO (having no desires, he can utilize the desires of the Core Medals all the greater) and why the Purple Medals were attracted to immediately making him a vessel, being the Medals of “void”, being created from creatures never physically seen by humans and thus with the idea that they have no desires other than nothingness. (which makes more sense than the more generic Pteradon Yummies we saw in the movie)

I’m not discounting the important and crucial revelations to Eiji’s most powerful form, but, like the other story, this felt way too rushed and without enough time to take in all this important stuff and everything that happens because of it. The Purple Medals are introduced at the start of pt. 1, disappear for the most part until the five enter Eiji; then we get the Pteranodon Yummies out of nowhere, the sudden revelation of why Eiji is so great as OOO/a container, then Eiji suddenly becoming “feral” and the PuToTyra transformation, him quickly fighting Birth and Hina getting him under control. Something this important and lasting for the rest of the series shouldn’t have just been given about 2/3rds or so of an episode to occur, especially with pacing otherwise being superb in OOO. But hopefully with this done, we can move forwards and see what happens next.
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Hi everyone. I'm new at this forum but always have been a Toku fan. I take it most you guys here are fans of the Heisei Era? I'm a classic Rider (Showa) series fan and I do like the new Riders too (Heisei) but I kind of stopped after Den-O. So I'm just getting a feel for this thread and it seems that everyone is into the new riders?

I was wondering if anyone has any classic favorites? I like all the classics but my Faves are 1, 2, V-3, Super-1, Black, RX, Z0.
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Only because it happens to have lots of quality subs and started when the Internet hit big. Timing played a big part in shaping the Western fandom.

After Kuuga I'll be watching Skyrider next, because I love flying heroes.
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The ever-persisting question in OOO: between a Greedo and Ankh - a hand solo - who takes the first shot?

A lot of us tend to watch more Heisei Rider series for various reasons. Firstly, there's just more of them. Secondly, recent shows tend to look more familiar in several aspects (story pacing, tone, suit designs, equipment, etc.); the same applies to Sentai too. Thirdly, subs - several of us aren't fluent in Japanese, and committing to watching a show with either a language barrier or with laughable Hong Kong subs isn't a simple task.

Though having seen most of the Heisei Rider series plus Amazon, I plan to get more acquainted with some of the Showa shows. Who knows what treasures they could hold; X marks the spot.
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http://kamenrider.wikia.com/wiki/Mystery_Rider

Remember this mysterious guy from the Fourze stage show?

What is the show's story? We may not know his name, but what is this guy's relation to Nadeshiko? He seems to only appear alongside her. Another SOLU person?


Also, I can't seem to find in the past threads a passage from the published book detailing how W's suit was designed and what visual elements they chose based on KR 1 and past characters. What was the name of that book and where can I find it translated?
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The ever-persisting question in OOO: between a Greedo and Ankh - a hand solo - who takes the first shot?

A lot of us tend to watch more Heisei Rider series for various reasons. Firstly, there's just more of them. Secondly, recent shows tend to look more familiar in several aspects (story pacing, tone, suit designs, equipment, etc.); the same applies to Sentai too. Thirdly, subs - several of us aren't fluent in Japanese, and committing to watching a show with either a language barrier or with laughable Hong Kong subs isn't a simple task.

Though having seen most of the Heisei Rider series plus Amazon, I plan to get more acquainted with some of the Showa shows. Who knows what treasures they could hold; X marks the spot.

I hear ya timegold!
I just feel that you get more out of the new stuff when they reference the old stuff...makes it more of a "complete" experience.

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The ever-persisting question in OOO: between a Greedo and Ankh - a hand solo - who takes the first shot?

A lot of us tend to watch more Heisei Rider series for various reasons. Firstly, there's just more of them. Secondly, recent shows tend to look more familiar in several aspects (story pacing, tone, suit designs, equipment, etc.); the same applies to Sentai too. Thirdly, subs - several of us aren't fluent in Japanese, and committing to watching a show with either a language barrier or with laughable Hong Kong subs isn't a simple task.

Though having seen most of the Heisei Rider series plus Amazon, I plan to get more acquainted with some of the Showa shows. Who knows what treasures they could hold; X marks the spot.

I hear ya timegold!
I just feel that you get more out of the new stuff when they reference the old stuff...makes it more of a "complete" experience.

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Only because it happens to have lots of quality subs and started when the Internet hit big. Timing played a big part in shaping the Western fandom.

After Kuuga I'll be watching Skyrider next, because I love flying heroes.
Nice! Actually, that's on my list too!
Have you guys seen these short episodes from Den-O where they do spoofs on all the riders? There was one where SkyRider was venting on how unhappy he was with his name and his suit design. Something along the lines of his scarf was supposed to be wings...hence the spots. LOL! When I find the name, I'll post it here.
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Since Decade, have we seen previous actors who were Kamen Riders make brief guest appearances in newer seasons as non-Rider characters only, like MOTWs or civilians? The way the Den-O Imajin voice actors played different civilian characters in Climax Deka.
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Outside of Todoroki being one of the Mages, i can't recall any.

But wait, isn't Goro from Ryuki an owner of the fruit bar everyone hangs out at in Gaim? He was a Rider twice already!
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But wait, isn't Goro from Ryuki an owner of the fruit bar everyone hangs out at in Gaim? He was a Rider twice already!
He was also one of the dudes that worked for ZECT in Kabuto.

And the actress for Mari from Faiz returns in a major role in Kiva. So yeah, even Heisei Rider is no stranger to returning actors.
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So yeah, even Heisei Rider is no stranger to returning actors.
I'm waiting for Eiji Takagawa to come back.
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I hear ya timegold!
I just feel that you get more out of the new stuff when they reference the old stuff...makes it more of a "complete" experience.
Yeah, there's definitely been some that I noticed. The most obvious ones are Riders using poses similar to Ichigou's or Nigou's - and even an instance from a non-Rider (at the time), once when Kaidou transformed into the Snake Orphenoch.

Though there are definitely deeper, subtler references, it's not like many would watch the series chronologically anyways, but those references are probably noticeable retroactively anyways.

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And the actress for Mari from Faiz returns in a major role in Kiva. So yeah, even Heisei Rider is no stranger to returning actors.
If we're going beyond the scope of Riders, Airis' actress returned as a Gate in Wizard, and as a bonus they put a Den-O sound effect in there.
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Yeah. That's what I mean. These references are really cool for any era.
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Date came back as Shaider for the Gavan movie as well. Or was it Sharivan? I'm always getting those two mixed up.
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There was also Zanki's actor coming back as Garulu in Kiva.
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And as both in Decade, lol
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