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Old April 22nd, 2017, 12:00 PM #21
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So, I guess Sophie Turner is playing Jean.

Unless they're doing a soft reboot of X3 with Famke Janssen, who deserved better.
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They've already done a passing of the torch with the older X-men actors. Now it's the younger actor's time to shine.
Yeah, I'm assuming that all of the actors from Apocalypse (the X-Men at least) will be returning to reprise their roles in this film. Who knows if we'll be seeing the same actors for Mystique and Magneto, if they're in this film at all, considering I believe both actors have said they were basically done after Apocalypse.

So is the film going to be going by what the rumors have said? We've expecting this film to take place 10 years after Apocalypse (since that was mentioned before), and they might be adding cosmic elements to the film. Are we getting the Shi'ar?
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Yeah, I'm assuming that all of the actors from Apocalypse (the X-Men at least) will be returning to reprise their roles in this film. Who knows if we'll be seeing the same actors for Mystique and Magneto, if they're in this film at all, considering I believe both actors have said they were basically done after Apocalypse.

So is the film going to be going by what the rumors have said? We've expecting this film to take place 10 years after Apocalypse (since that was mentioned before), and they might be adding cosmic elements to the film. Are we getting the Shi'ar?
I'd love to see the Shi'ar appearing in the film.
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Yeah, I'm assuming that all of the actors from Apocalypse (the X-Men at least) will be returning to reprise their roles in this film. Who knows if we'll be seeing the same actors for Mystique and Magneto, if they're in this film at all, considering I believe both actors have said they were basically done after Apocalypse.
Jennifer Lawrence has gone back and forth on her feelings about returning, but Fassbender has said he'd be open to returning and hasn't wavered in saying so.

They'd both need to be approached and offered new contracts, though, because their previous deals have expired.
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My only problem with this is that we honestly have even less reason to care about Jean Grey this time than we did last time. The emotion's just not there when the conflicted character was never a lead character.
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Great News !!! if the rumors are truth thisi s going be pass 10 years after the Apocalypse basic the story continues since the X-Men First Class,Days of the Future Past and Apocalypse, basic if I remembwell this trilogy was a way of Brian redeption from the others X-Men movies.

I hope not end like Last Stand, andwil lben ice if they had characters of the Phonix Saga in the cartoon, since I liked much of Apocalypse I hope they dont let us down, because honest I was expect maybe Sinister show up in this movie
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Dark Phoenix may be the title, but we all know this will be a movie about Mystique.
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Dark Phoenix may be the title, but we all know this will be a movie about Mystique.
Unless they're paying Jennifer Lawrence a billion dollars, she's not stepping anywhere close to this movie.
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Dark Phoenix may be the title, but we all know this will be a movie about Mystique.
Doubt it because I'm pretty sure Jennifer Lawrence will probably not reprise her role and I agree with Xenotome on this.
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They made it clear that Apocalypse was the end of the "Mystique Trilogy" and Jennifer is flip-flopping on returning at all.
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They should just have Rebecca Romijn come back. Her human form was never her real one anyway...
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Please please pleeeease do not fuck this up twice. That is all I ask of you, X-Films. Don't fuck the Phoenix story up twice, and give us something great. Everything with the new cast has been good at best and mediocre at worst. But I want something great. X2 levels of great. Give me a reason to not care about Fox being too stubborn to work with Marvel. A reason other than Deadpool.

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My only problem with this is that we honestly have even less reason to care about Jean Grey this time than we did last time. The emotion's just not there when the conflicted character was never a lead character.
That's my main concern about them tackling the Phoenix story straight away. At least give us time to give a damn about this Jean. As much as I liked Apocalypse, it didn't really give us a lot of reason to care about these new versions of the old X-Men. They weren't endearing, they weren't unique, they were just...standard teenage characters with no hint of the characters they're based on

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*sigh* After Apocalypse, my levels of expectation are at a bare minimum, but you just know that somehow they're going to fuck this up again, but hopefully not Brett Ratner level of ineptitude. Can Fox just wave the white flag already with most of their Marvel properties (especialy FF) and give them back to Marvel already who can at least get them marginally right on-screen?
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*clicks stopwatch*

How can you expect the bare minimum but anticipate them to screw it up? Doesn't one kind of imply the other?
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So does this mean Jean's going to go through the Dark Phoenix phase twice? Or are we really really really forgetting X3?

Permanently forgetting X3. I mean.
They already essentially forgot about X3 and just sort of accepted that it was there but didn't really follow up any questions it raised or bothered making it have any real impact beyond "no jean grey" and no Rebecca Romijn.

Ultimately this is probably going to actually be Dark Phoenix, with a phoenix force and everything. Not just black eye Jean with amnesia/split personality, so really she'll only be going through it once, properly.

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Logan's weird because people connected to the movie seemed to contradict each other. We're told it's not connected to the movies, then we're told it's connected to refreshed timeline. With how the actual movie plays out, it works either way.
It essentially exists in a void that only gets more frustrating when you realize the director did this purposefully because the timelines and screwy continuity were so bad already.

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Logan definitely counts as part of the new timeline, BTW, and establishes that events analogous to those depicted in X1 and X2 did occur at some point between 1983 and 2029.
Logan establishes nothing about analogous events. There is one line about Logan killing his wife from Xavier that we are supposed to take as the Jean Grey death, but it's not a confirmation either way of when she dies or what timeline, especially since happy ending DOFP should negate that murder as far as Xavier knows.

What do you think the established events are and how does Logan establish them?

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Yeah, I'm assuming that all of the actors from Apocalypse (the X-Men at least) will be returning to reprise their roles in this film. Who knows if we'll be seeing the same actors for Mystique and Magneto, if they're in this film at all, considering I believe both actors have said they were basically done after Apocalypse.
Jennifer Lawrence, James McAvoy, and Michael Fassbender have said they won't do another one unless all three do it together but who knows how realistic that is. It'd be almost unthinkable to let an X-men movie go without shoving Magneto in on Fox's part, but that'd be impressive if they did.

Lawrence is pretty much a given no-go. She hated doing the films and was mostly in Apocalypse because of contractual obligation. At this point, she's not going to go stick her head back in the X-men pool and get suckered into another contract.

So is the film going to be going by what the rumors have said? We've expecting this film to take place 10 years after Apocalypse (since that was mentioned before), and they might be adding cosmic elements to the film. Are we getting the Shi'ar?
It's probably safe to say it will be set 10 years after Apocalypse, and still no one will have aged.

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My only problem with this is that we honestly have even less reason to care about Jean Grey this time than we did last time. The emotion's just not there when the conflicted character was never a lead character.
Basically the new movie has to spend most of its time character building since we don't even really know the X-men we're supposed to be following so far. If they screw around and make it another 10 year jump, that's just another 10 years of off screen development for us to miss and then be given less reason to care about them.

Though, really, did we ever get a reason to care about Jean Grey in the original trilogy? She basically existed to having a relationship with Cyclops, be creepily obsessed over by Wolverine, and die. What else was there to her?
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Though, really, did we ever get a reason to care about Jean Grey in the original trilogy? She basically existed to having a relationship with Cyclops, be creepily obsessed over by Wolverine, and die. What else was there to her?
That's looking at it from a comic perspective. She was Logan's unobtainable love-interest, basically. Though I suppose X-2 was kind of trying to set her up more independently?

If they push Jean as the central character here, they can pull it off. It's the ten year gap that I feel will make things difficult. She's had ten years to get used to her Phoenix abilities. Unless she's just not used them again for that period.
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Ultimately this is probably going to actually be Dark Phoenix, with a phoenix force and everything. Not just black eye Jean with amnesia/split personality, so really she'll only be going through it once, properly.
Apocalypse, like The Last Stand, established that Jean has a darkness inside her, and comments from Kinberg have indicated that they will in fact continue to be using that concept in relation to exploring the Dark Phoenix story again, so even if cosmic elements are introduced in relation to the DP story, the basis of what they do is going to once again be similar to The Last Stand's interpretation in its simplicity.


Logan establishes nothing about analogous events. There is one line about Logan killing his wife from Xavier that we are supposed to take as the Jean Grey death, but it's not a confirmation either way of when she dies or what timeline, especially since happy ending DOFP should negate that murder as far as Xavier knows.

What do you think the established events are and how does Logan establish them?
There's a reference to the events of Liberty Islasnd in the film, I believe.



Jennifer Lawrence, James McAvoy, and Michael Fassbender have said they won't do another one unless all three do it together but who knows how realistic that is. It'd be almost unthinkable to let an X-men movie go without shoving Magneto in on Fox's part, but that'd be impressive if they did.

Lawrence is pretty much a given no-go. She hated doing the films and was mostly in Apocalypse because of contractual obligation. At this point, she's not going to go stick her head back in the X-men pool and get suckered into another contract.
McAvoy has already been confirmed to be returning for New Mutants, and J-Law and Fassbender have both said that they'd be amenable to returning, although you're right that J-Law did also at one point say she was done with the series, so it's kind of up in the air as to whether or not she actually would. We do know that FOX wants both Fassbender and Lawrence to return though.
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That's looking at it from a comic perspective. She was Logan's unobtainable love-interest, basically. Though I suppose X-2 was kind of trying to set her up more independently?
Given how few actual moments together Logan and Jean had in the movies, calling her a love interest is kind of a stretch. There's maybe a crush or attraction in the first film, but they barely interact in the second, and then she's his soulmate in the third and haunts him as if they were actually together in The Wolverine.

It's creepy and sends a weird message about stalker fantasies, is all I'm saying.
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Personally, I'm not opposed to the idea of the Phoenix being some kind of split personality manifested by her powers. Just as long as that concept isn't as poorly executed as The Last Stand.

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Given how few actual moments together Logan and Jean had in the movies, calling her a love interest is kind of a stretch. There's maybe a crush or attraction in the first film, but they barely interact in the second, and then she's his soulmate in the third and haunts him as if they were actually together in The Wolverine.

It's creepy and sends a weird message about stalker fantasies, is all I'm saying.
Jeez. I never even thought about that but...you're right Lol

I was gonna say that they might have established a stronger bond in between films but he wasn't even at the school in between the first two movies. His love really did some right the hell out of nowhere XD
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God are they seriously going to give us another crapfest like X3? Please god no.

They already ruin it by saying the Phoenix is inside Jean. It's NOT, it's a cosmic entity that bonds with her.

I hate Singer so much.

Apocalypse, like The Last Stand, established that Jean has a darkness inside her, and comments from Kinberg have indicated that they will in fact continue to be using that concept in relation to exploring the Dark Phoenix story again, so even if cosmic elements are introduced in relation to the DP story, the basis of what they do is going to once again be similar to The Last Stand's interpretation in its simplicit
And we all know how Last Stand was received.
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God are they seriously going to give us another crapfest like X3? Please god no.

They already ruin it by saying the Phoenix is inside Jean. It's NOT, it's a cosmic entity that bonds with her.
Why the hell are so many people so adamantly against doing something different from the source material now and then?
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