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View Poll Results: who do you like best dc or marvel? and who do you think would win?
I like dc best 63 39.87%
I like marvel best 93 58.86%
I think dc would win 59 37.34%
I think marvel would win 71 44.94%
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:51 AM   #5781
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So the merry DCU reboot continues, eh? It really doesn't seem like many (if any) of their sparkly new books have really set the world on fire. They slashed-and-burned almost half a century of continuity for ... this? Good move guys.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 05:15 AM   #5782
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It's because DC are known for "properly-but-not-completly" rebooting their continuity every five minutes that the latest wave isnt up to scratch. They've made the whole art of relaunching pointless over two decades with every "Zero Hour" and "Infinite Crisis". Expect another one in another few years or so.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 08:46 AM   #5783
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Very sad to hear about JLI, without a Booster Gold book it looks like my favorite time traveler will get lost in the new DCU. Strange too, I expected JL Dark to go before any other team book.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:48 AM   #5784
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Can I still whine about how much I dislike the DC reboot?
I'm glad I'm not alone. I never really care about the new 52 stuff. It would be nice to see DC to go back to the regular continuity (post-crisis to before new 52 continuity). Ugh.they should've continue to work on the current universe instead of going to the new 52 and reboot crap.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 12:31 PM   #5785
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I wouldnt have minded the 52 launch if they had managed to tie up everyone's stories, instead some of them were left on massive cliffhangers and downer endings. I think only Batman, Stephanie, and Superman had anything close to decent endings.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 02:47 PM   #5786
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Ah, thanks for that. The things you learn when you don't give a creativly bankrupt hack-ridden company your undivided attention...

Still, that doesnt mean it can still be undone, and I hope it is one day. I'd like nothing better than the whole Quesada/Alonzo era wiped from existence. Come to think of it, it'd be sublime if Hope were the one to undo it all, since she's the cheif sue of this whole stinking reigme...
It could be Hope changing reality, we still don't know the full extent of her power not to mention she is the host for pheonix. If M day is undone I wonder would that would change Scott's current mindset? He seems to have gone too far down the rabbit hole to become that human loving hero again.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 03:26 PM   #5787
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The New 52 is actually not bad, in my view. JLI is among a handful of books I don't want to read, but there was always going to be that, and I'm reading more DC now than I could have ever thought possible beforehand.

Flash, in particular, is an extremely strong book with spectacular art and solid superhero writing that is well-balanced and doesn't take 500 years to wrap up each plot point.

Wonder Woman is a departure from previous incarnations, but is a very well-written story with great art that fits perfectly with the book's style.

Red Hood and the Outlaws, despite reactionary criticisms from the first twelve seconds of the book's release, is a genuinely fun, and at times, touching action story.

Action Comics is a very dense, multi-layered Superman story. It's far from perfect, but when it's good, it's very good. I'm not a Superman fan, by any means, and I like this character a lot so far.

A lot of the complaints I see from those who disagree with the relaunch can probably be applied to every single one of these books, as the characters are not identical to the ones from before the relaunch. But, in some cases, that's honestly why I care about them now, versus what I felt about them before.

There was something that always bothered me about the up-front image of most of the "main" DC heroes. They all just seemed like what your parents might be like if they had superpowers. Telling you to brush your teeth and stay in school, and then flying off into the sunset or whatever. And while that stuff is classic and fun to play with sometimes, I just related more with the major Marvel characters who, while sharing some of those same values, felt more like what my peers would be like if they had superpowers. They themselves were in the process of learning how to brush their teeth and stay in school. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

I'm generalizing, obviously. But this is the image that The New 52 largely is able to shake off. Not completely. The Flash is VERY classic in presentation. He's still very much a solidly good-natured hero, and it's actually very exciting. But if every hero I was reading was like him, I can't say I'd be thrilled. Wonder Woman's Amazons have a seriously messed-up history, and it throws her into disillusion. The young Superman was an angry guy because of the corruption he felt he should be the one to clean up, so his decisions are questionable. That's in keeping with some of his classic portrayals, but people still freak out because the comics are using it again when he more recently was so nicey-nice all the time. But since I feel like there's a specific point to be made with this, I would much rather celebrate the interesting story and be glad that this Superman actually has somewhere to develop to (that I want to read).
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Old May 15th, 2012, 03:34 PM   #5788
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Flash has been a great book and continues to be a great book, just like the Green Lanter books, and other books that were not changed much during the DCNew 52 change.

JLI has been better, but how can anyone judge a series in just 8-12 issues? Can't it get better? I know my love of the Hulk comics has gone up and down and up and down, but I'd never want them to cancel it, and if they would have cancelled it during a low point, I'd never been able to experience the high points.

I guess they are just swapping JLI for the Earth 2 Justice Society-in-making group.

Still. They end OMAC, but promise OMAC will show up in JLI, then end JLI. OMAC was an awesome book, and I liked JLI, and now they are both gone.

I think Aquaman is better than ever in my opinion.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 03:41 PM   #5789
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8-12 issues is a pretty big investment for some people. It's also potentially a huge amount of story. I say "potentially" because some people, such as Brian Michael Bendis, would literally only write two story arcs with that. Out of a YEAR'S worth of comic books. I'm sorry, but I just don't enjoy that style all the time. The story has to really warrant such a lengthy, drawn-out process.

In JLI's case, it was just as I said earlier. If a story fails to grab you after SEVERAL issues, no one can say that you didn't give the book a chance. The writer had at least 8 months to impress you.

However, I think what you're talking about with things like Hulk's book are different. If a particular writer's run is bad, some people will easily jump ship, but then come back later when a new writer, or a new creative decision catches their eye. I said I was reading Generation Lost before the relaunch and loving it. Generation Lost uses almost exactly the same characters from the current JLI, but the writing was more to my liking.

So yeah, I'm dropping JLI for now. Doesn't mean I won't come back for the next iteration of it (and I'm sure there will be another one in the future). It just means they failed to keep me around this time.

I do think Aquaman is good, for the most part. And Earth 2 is REALLY good, so far.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:41 PM   #5790
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I am in love with Teen Titans there has only been a certain series from the 90's that I don't like. *cough* Dan Jurgen's Teen Titans *cough* I have all 100 issues of volume 3.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 10:51 PM   #5791
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But Earth 2 only has one issue and it was about how WonderWoman, Batman, and Supes died -_-

But speaking of long story arcs The Ultimates is getting ridiculously tedious, almost 11 issues in and so far America has gotten her ass kicked 3 ways to Sunday, the Ultimates are on the run from the Government, and Captain America is living in the desert sulking. I get that they are setting up the world's status quo but man can we get a few deluxe issues to move this story along? Does anyone follow Ultimate X-Men? Is it as slow as Spider-Man and The Ultimates (granted the last two issue of Ult. Spidey have picked up the pace)?
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Old May 16th, 2012, 01:18 AM   #5792
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Earth-2 set up the backstory of their world, that heroes basically don't exist anymore in that world, and that new ones are about to emerge. Including a young Jay Garrick with the power of Mercury. It was basically six issues of Geoff Johns' pointlessly-long Justice League truncated into a single solid issue, with room to spare.

I wouldn't really categorize The Ultimates as slow, but if that's your view, then I guess you would think Ultimate X-Men was slow as well. However, there's a new writer coming aboard in a couple issues, so that may change somewhat.

But the entire Ultimate Universe is revving up for the event, Divided We Fall, so I'm pretty sure every series has some build-up to cover before that time.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:17 AM   #5793
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I've almost completly phased myself out of the Ultimate Universe, Ultimates is past it's prime, UXM worked better when the key players were all in the Peter-led USM. I like USM, but it hasnt done anything too different even with a different Spider-Man, so I don't know how long I'll stay attached to it.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 06:18 AM   #5794
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I can see what Syklone means but I think the writers have a lot to tell in a short period of time. That's why it seems very slow and tedious. U-Xmen is on their second story arc Ultimates still on their first and nothing of big interest has happened in USM yet.

I do have to say I like the new Ultimate universe so far I can honestly say I don't know how the heroes will turn this around and that scene with Asgard in Ultimates still haunts me...
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Old May 16th, 2012, 07:29 AM   #5795
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Other than Scarlet Spider, Venom, Black Panther, New Avengers and AvX, the Ultimate line is the only universe I've really invested in. Make mine Ultimate!
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Old May 16th, 2012, 10:51 AM   #5796
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I haven't read too much of the Ultimate line. One thing I can respect about it is that character deaths and most story plots seem to be final. Running a comic universe with no retcons is tough, can you imagine if tony stark had stayed a teenager after The Crossing?

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Old May 16th, 2012, 10:54 AM   #5797
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I haven't read too much of the Ultimate line. One thing I can respect about it is that character deaths and most story plots seem to be final. Running a comic universe with no retcons is tough, can you imagine it tony stark had stayed a teenager after The Crossing?
Well, it would have given Armoured Adventures AWESOME publicity...
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:00 PM   #5798
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Don't get me wrong I am enjoying the Ultimate universe a lot. I am enjoying all the threads that are being laid it just feels like the last 10 issues have been 1 catastrophic event after another with little chance for our heroes to respond. Bit I guess that is the status quo that is trying to be set. What i want to know is why these events havent vibrated into USM or UXM. But I guess that will probably be the United We Stand event.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:43 PM   #5799
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I place the first two stories of USM during the events of Ultimate X, and will catch up with UXmen and the Ultimates after this Scorpion story. But that is just my theory.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 01:47 PM   #5800
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Can anyone give me a rundown on Avengers Assemble? I haven't been following any of the Avenger books since Siege other than AvX. Is the book just trying to emulate the movie roster or will it actually be its own thing with more members?
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