Whose the leader?

Lisa J · 05-02-2005, 09:16 AM

It may be a dumb question, may not be. But I remember the whole Tommy/Conner debate, so I was wondering if people felt the same way about SPD with Cruger and Jack? If the mentor becomes a ranger, is he the leader or the red ranger?

Cosmic Dreamer · 05-02-2005, 09:19 AM

well I am going to say that the rangers, including Jack, thought that Shadow Ranger was the leader so they decided to just kick back and relax and let Cruger take charge. But in the end I guess Jack is still the leader of the team.

TrippEisen620 · 05-02-2005, 09:33 AM

Cruger is the leader of the SPD organization as a whole, Jack is the leader of the B-Squad rangers only. So in an essence Cruger is everyone's leader even down to like the really low ranking squads with the little kids like Sam, he just ignores all of them and spends all his time with B-Squad

Lisa J · 05-02-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TrippEisen620

Cruger is the leader of the SPD organization as a whole, Jack is the leader of the B-Squad rangers only. So in an essence Cruger is everyone's leader even down to like the really low ranking squads with the little kids like Sam, he just ignores all of them and spends all his time with B-Squad

But in battle, whose the leader then? Kinda unfair to ask since we haven't seen them in battle altogether, but who would you think would be the leader?

Morose Angel · 05-02-2005, 09:38 AM

Jack is the team leader, but Commander Cruger is the "leader" of SPD itself, which means he's Jack and everyone else in SPD's boss. Commander Cruger usually gives them their orders, but when Jack and the others are alone, Jack calls the shots.

Cosmic Dreamer · 05-02-2005, 09:42 AM

Well if we talk about brute strength and intelligence, I say Cruger. If we talk about looks and personality, I choose Syd or Z. If we talk about wierdness and originality, I say Bridge. If we talk about assholeness and bitchy attitudes, I say Sky. But if we talk about color and dreads, I say Jack! Oh and if we talk about prepubesent little heroes in training, I say Sam!

Morose Angel · 05-02-2005, 09:49 AM

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But in battle, whose the leader then? Kinda unfair to ask since we haven't seen them in battle altogether, but who would you think would be the leader?

Doggie Cruger might allow Jack to lead the others, but he could take over at any point if he chose to.

OrionPower2001 · 05-02-2005, 09:52 AM

The situation with B-Squad is a bit unique compared to other seasons. I'm not sure people realize this but, despite being a Power Ranger, Cruger is NOT a member of B-Squad. So even if the six of them are all in battle together, Jack is still the leader of B-Squad. Cruger, as the commander of SPD, technically outranks Jack, so they would naturally follow his lead in a battle. Doesn't change the fact that Jack is still the leader of B-Squad.

Sadsmileyface · 05-02-2005, 10:01 AM

Conner.

gravy ranger · 05-02-2005, 10:02 AM

In my opinion the mentor only becomes a ranger again if he wants to help the ranger in battle like tommy did.

ZeoSaturn · 05-02-2005, 10:16 AM

I think that DC would be the leader in battle to since he out ranks Jack. But DC does give Jack commanding roles in battle to give him more experience.

In terms of DT, Tommy.

JDF'd · 05-02-2005, 10:18 AM

Just because he can morph, the mentor is still the mentor. In the overall scheme any important executive decisions should have been made by Tommy and Doggie. But when it came to the heat of battle, as a team the other rangers followed the calls made by their field leaders which were Conner and Jack.

Stinger180 · 05-02-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. O

It may be a dumb question, may not be. But I remember the whole Tommy/Conner debate, so I was wondering if people felt the same way about SPD with Cruger and Jack? If the mentor becomes a ranger, is he the leader or the red ranger?

I'm the leader.

Cosmic Dreamer · 05-02-2005, 10:30 AM

well lets see.
Zordon gave them the powers but the leader was Jason.
Ninjor gave them the power but Tommy was the leader.
Andros gave them the power and he was the leader.
The power came from the sabers but Leo was the leader.
Captain Mitchell gave them their powers but Carter was the leader.
Alex gave them their powers but Jen took leadership over Wes.
The wild zords gave them their power but George of the Jungle was the leader.
Cam gave them the power, his dad told him too, but Shane was leader.
Lothor gave the other two their powers but Hunter was leader.
Tommy gave them their power but Connor was leader.
Cruger gave them their powers but Jack is the leader.

A leader is there from the begining. Thats why I think Jason was leader until he left. Then in Zeo and Turbo Tommy became leader. Each core team was doing just fine until the extra ranger showed up. Like in DT Connor was the core 3 leader then Tommy joined but that doesn't make the grandpa the head of the team just because he sits at the head of the table. And like in SPD, Jack is the leader. The only reason why Cruger stepped was because he had an old enemy he had to take care off. And Kat made him realize that this was his fight and not the rangers.

OrionPower2001 · 05-02-2005, 10:40 AM

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Lothor gave the other two their powers but Hunter was leader

Um...No. Lothor didn't give the Thunder Rangers their powers. They recieved their morphers from Sensei Omino prior to his capture.

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A leader is there from the begining. Thats why I think Jason was leader until he left. Then in Zeo and Turbo Tommy became leader. Each core team was doing just fine until the extra ranger showed up. Like in DT Connor was the core 3 leader then Tommy joined but that doesn't make the grandpa the head of the team just because he sits at the head of the table. And like in SPD, Jack is the leader. The only reason why Cruger stepped was because he had an old enemy he had to take care off. And Kat made him realize that this was his fight and not the rangers.

A couple of issues with this.

1. Tommy was specifically named as "the new leader of the Power Team" by Zordon in "White Light, Part II". Several episodes before Jason's departure from the team.

2. Tommy was also the leader of the Dino Rangers. When Tommy was not present, Conner was field commander. When Tommy was in battle, the Rangers took their orders from him.

3. Again, Jack is the leader of B-SQUAD. Cruger is not a member of B-Squad. Cruger is the head of SPD which makes him Jack's boss. Technically, he would lead the team should he be fighting alongside them in battle.

Lisa J · 05-02-2005, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Dreamer

well lets see.
Zordon gave them the powers but the leader was Jason.
Ninjor gave them the power but Tommy was the leader.
Andros gave them the power and he was the leader.
The power came from the sabers but Leo was the leader.
Captain Mitchell gave them their powers but Carter was the leader.
Alex gave them their powers but Jen took leadership over Wes.
The wild zords gave them their power but George of the Jungle was the leader.
Cam gave them the power, his dad told him too, but Shane was leader.
Lothor gave the other two their powers but Hunter was leader.
Tommy gave them their power but Connor was leader.
Cruger gave them their powers but Jack is the leader.

A leader is there from the begining. Thats why I think Jason was leader until he left. Then in Zeo and Turbo Tommy became leader. Each core team was doing just fine until the extra ranger showed up. Like in DT Connor was the core 3 leader then Tommy joined but that doesn't make the grandpa the head of the team just because he sits at the head of the table. And like in SPD, Jack is the leader. The only reason why Cruger stepped was because he had an old enemy he had to take care off. And Kat made him realize that this was his fight and not the rangers.

But the mentors (and I'm talking about the ones who turn rangers) were there before the "beginning." So doesn't that trump the "beginning?"

And if Tommy wasn't the leader til Zeo, who was the leader when Jason left? Rocky? LOL!

Cosmic Dreamer · 05-02-2005, 11:07 AM

To me Jason was leader until he left and then Tommy became leader because Rocky couldn't lead shit! What happened to the cool "Rocky" from the movie? He was so much better than the "Ro

cky" from the series.

DigificWriter · 05-02-2005, 11:27 AM

Okay, here's the situation as I understand it:

With SPD, you have a situation where the organization's leader, Cruger, has become a Power Ranger, which sets up a situation similar to Marvel Comics' X-Men. In non-Ranger situations, Cruger is definitely in charge, but when it comes to field battles, Cruger seems (at least from his behavior in 'Abandoned') more than willing to keep things the way they are and leave Jack in control, functioning more as 'in-battle support' than anything else.

This situation also came up during PRTF, with Wes serving as 'field commander' while Jen was considered the leader of the TF Rangers outside of battle.

Chiming in on the whole question of who the leaders of previous teams have been, here's a chart:
MMPR (pre-Green Ranger Tommy/post-Green Ranger Tommy/pre-White Ranger Tommy): Jason
MMPR (post-White Ranger Tommy/pre-Power Transfer/post-Power Transfer): Tommy
PRZ: Tommy
PRT (pre-Passing the Torch): Tommy
PRT (post-Passing the Torch): TJ
PRiS: Andros
PRLG: Leo
PRLR: Carter
PRTF: Jen (team leader)/Wes (field commander)
PRWF: Cole
PRNS: Shane
PRDT (pre-Tommy): Connor
PRDT (post-Tommy): Tommy (when present)/Connor(during Tommy's absence)

RedSavageWarrior · 05-02-2005, 11:34 AM

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To me Jason was leader until he left and then Tommy became leader because Rocky couldn't lead shit!

Even though Zordon explicitly stated that Tommy was the leader as soon as he became White Ranger?

Wes Janson · 05-02-2005, 11:43 AM

Kelly. Duh.