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PurpleWindRangr
September 9th, 2003, 02:01 PM
My mom works at a local TV station and she's always sending me stuff she gets at work. Today she got the following story and forwarded it to me. I thought I'd share:

In June the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) announced it would begin amassing evidence in order to file lawsuits against individual personal computer users who download copyrighted material via programs that illegally distribute music. Yesterday the RIAA filed 260+ civil lawsuits against individuals who are heavy users and likely up-loaders of music. Research has shown that 90% of the files downloaded are uploaded by 10% of file swapping users. The RIAA also introduced Clean Slate its amnesty program for repentant file sharers who have gone straight. Those who users who have been subpoenaed by the RIAA must admit the errors of their ways and delete all illegally downloaded music files and promise never to do it again, for their mea culpa these folks will get a notarized affidavit. If they should fall off the download wagon and get caught, the consequences will be significantly harsher. Users who want to reform but have not been subpoenaed they will remove the risk of investigation.


To top it off my mom also said there is some talk that Kazaa is something set up by the RIAA to track IP addys of downloaders. In other words it's a trap. I guess there's some news investigation going into that or something. Anyway I am not allowed to d/l music anymore which sucks. I so hatethe RIAA. Anyway, take this for what it's worth. I just figured I'd share.

FeatherPen
September 9th, 2003, 02:06 PM
Most people I know use KaZaA primarily for video files (ie porn, porn, and more porn) anyway.

gokujon
September 9th, 2003, 02:17 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kr/20030909/lo_krnewyork/suedforasong

looks like their starting off on the big guns, a 12 year old girl. lol

The Avenging Angel
September 9th, 2003, 02:19 PM
The RIAA, a bunch of bullies, and I despise bullies...

Maybe the RIAA ought to be the next villains for the next Power Rangers series instead?

J/K

PurpleWindRangr
September 9th, 2003, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by gokujon
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kr/20030909/lo_krnewyork/suedforasong

looks like their starting off on the big guns, a 12 year old girl. lol

Oh my god...I swear the RIAA is so ridiculous. They are just so damn greedy. It's not enough CDs are $20 each but then the record companies make a killing on concert tickets, t-shirts, other merch., etc. If I ever make it as a major recording artist (yeah right) I will so right against the RIAA because they are ripping fans off left and right and now they are suing kids who have no income and simply want to enjoy music.

lunarwolfaaron
September 9th, 2003, 02:26 PM
this whole thing with the r.i.a.a. is soo stupid. they went through something similar when people were first able to record music off the radio at home on their stereo's. They will eventually find a way to compensate the artists. Also how can they tell what is a mp3 you downloaded or you ripped to your computer. They really can't. As long as people get smart and move everything out of their download folders and not keep them online all the time they really have no way of tracking it then.

Aaron

kamenrideruk
September 9th, 2003, 02:28 PM
the RIAA shouldnt be given the power to track people as it is perving on ones activities, which is stupid the only people who should have power is the Law and that is all these money grubbing swines need to get a life.

PurpleWindRangr
September 9th, 2003, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by lunarwolfaaron
this whole thing with the r.i.a.a. is soo stupid. they went through something similar when people were first able to record music off the radio at home on their stereo's. They will eventually find a way to compensate the artists. Also how can they tell what is a mp3 you downloaded or you ripped to your computer. They really can't. As long as people get smart and move everything out of their download folders and not keep them online all the time they really have no way of tracking it then.

Aaron


Sure they can. If you download anything you leave your computer open. They can trace what you download as you download. And if they track you d/ling even once and decide to do so they can get a warrant to search your computer for other MP3s. It's messed up and I only hope one day this nonsense with the RIAA ends.

Mizu
September 9th, 2003, 02:31 PM
Well, I usually just download Japanese music, (like Gackt, Ayumi, and Megumi), I don't know who here listens to J/Pop and J/Rock. I also just download Anime in Japanese, and the singers don't have any copyright in America, and I highly doubt I can get into trouble downloading the Anime.

BozQ
September 9th, 2003, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by KuwagaRaijer
Well, I usually just download Japanese music, (like Gackt, Ayumi, and Megumi), I don't know who here listens to J/Pop and J/Rock. I also just download Anime in Japanese, and the singers don't have any copyright in America, and I highly doubt I can get into trouble downloading the Anime. This is RIAA you are talking about. RECORDING Industry Ass-ociation of America. Their main concern is the mp3s being shared online.

And in my opinion, to really cut down on this file swapping business, the more conventional way of improving the situation would be to reduce the price of the albums being sold, and to produce QUALITY albums. I'm so sick of seeing people buy a boyband album just for that particular song that hit the charts of that particular week. Its such a waste of good money.

Ace Venom
September 9th, 2003, 02:36 PM
I quit using Kazaa before this whole mess started and dumped my mp3s off my PC. I think it's stupid, but being in debt to the RIAA for the rest of my life over something this stupid isn't worth it. I still buy a shitload of CDs, so they get their fair share from me.

ZyuGreen
September 9th, 2003, 02:37 PM
I think Weird Al Said it best in "Internet Sandman"

Sue our Fans, We're off to Napster Napster Land

lunarwolfaaron
September 9th, 2003, 02:37 PM
i say no they can't the only way someone might be able to trace is if say your computer stays online all the time. besides why are they gonna get people that have downloaded bogus mp3s from kazaa that is about all that is left on there now. I think that is also a good point if anyone starts to get prosectued from them is to bring up they had bogus mp3 on kazaa. lol

Aaron

JokuX
September 9th, 2003, 03:30 PM
Lets face it guys America is going to hell in a hand basket. Company I guess make the laws now. RIAA is just the beginning soon other companies are gonna try the same thing. The RIAA is really stupid though cause once they put the 12 year old girl on trial the record industry is done for. Cause no one is going to buy CDs after awhile cause lets face it no one likes to be bullied. Also there are billions of people online so I wonder at what point the RIAA are just gonna drop it. Cause no one can sue almost everyone on the planet.

Natinspace
September 9th, 2003, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by blackbird_1.0
The RIAA, a bunch of bullies, and I despise bullies...


Yeah, bunch of bullies. Can you believe they actually want to punish people who do illegal activities and hurt the record buisiness in a big way? They ought to be ashamed...

Lord of Fire
September 9th, 2003, 04:58 PM
So what CAN we d/l?? just movies and images? No songs @ all?? I mainly down load instrumental stuff b/c i'm interested in all of those insturment song things.

Sparky Ranger
September 9th, 2003, 05:06 PM
We should boycot the RIAA just on principle of this 12 year old girl!

But really! Shouldn't they be tackling the route of the problem? The people who make these things accessible to start with, they did it with napster and it (pretty well) stopped Napster.

GoldRanger
September 9th, 2003, 05:21 PM
Damn Record Industry

Duo
September 9th, 2003, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by KuwagaRaijer
Well, I usually just download Japanese music, (like Gackt, Ayumi, and Megumi), I don't know who here listens to J/Pop and J/Rock. I also just download Anime in Japanese, and the singers don't have any copyright in America, and I highly doubt I can get into trouble downloading the Anime.

I listen to Japanese music as well, that's pretty much all I download too, and the RIAA can't really do anything about the Japanese music unless the artist released something in the US, so you're more than likely safe.

-Duo

Ace Venom
September 9th, 2003, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Sparky Ranger
We should boycot the RIAA just on principle of this 12 year old girl!

But really! Shouldn't they be tackling the route of the problem? The people who make these things accessible to start with, they did it with napster and it (pretty well) stopped Napster.

I commonly use the drug analogy with this problem.

The police go after the drug users and put them behind bars. Unfortunately, the police don't do anything to the drug dealers. In fact, the drug dealers are helping the police, selling them information about their clients.

This is exactly what's happening with the RIAA lawsuits. The file sharers are getting sued, but the P2P services are now being left alone. The P2P services and the ISPs are even ratting on their customers as well.

Clu-less
September 9th, 2003, 07:25 PM
The artist aren't even against this, it's just the heads of record companies. The artist don't make a lot of money from record sales, they get it from tours and promotional deals, appearing on talk shows and radio shows, etc., etc. It's almost safe to say only about 10-20% of record sales affect the actual artists. Advice to the record companies-

1.) Make more quality stuff, i.e no more damn Britney clones! There's only one Britney, get over it.

2.) Lower the price of CDs, and market singles better. It seems like instead of lowering the price of CDs to encourage record sales, they're rising them. I mean, 20 bux for *N'Suk? Plus tax? I'm tired of paying $22 and it's crap. Is it me or do these big guys in these companies don't get it. Vince McMahon, the RIAA, I mean what the fuck?

Zapdos560
September 9th, 2003, 07:33 PM
there's a 12 year old who got sued for sharing nursery nymes, children's songs (If You're Happy And You Know It, Clap Your Hands) and TV tunes from dead shows.

GoldRanger
September 9th, 2003, 07:36 PM
That's wrong.

Add
September 9th, 2003, 07:46 PM
Wrong in the sense of can't be true. Nursery rhymes aren't copyrighted. And I think "If You're Happy..." is also public domain.

gokujon
September 10th, 2003, 10:34 AM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030910/ap_on_hi_te/downloading_music_19

looks like they won with the little girl. how sad

IvyDraken
September 10th, 2003, 10:44 AM
Bull fucking shit...You want to come and take my money?? I'd like to see them try. This is against the law... I'd like to see what happens when someone actually hires a good lawyer. 2,000 dollars???? Whatever... AShcroft alone has cost this country thousands of dollars so my taxes went there. RIAA go take your money from him...

This is just completely off the rocker... Monopoly at it's finest...

Iron Bison
September 10th, 2003, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by blackbird_1.0
The RIAA, a bunch of bullies, and I despise bullies...

Maybe the RIAA ought to be the next villains for the next Power Rangers series instead?

J/K

We will need all the Rangers for that one!

Stokesmon
September 10th, 2003, 11:11 AM
In all actuality, a few years ago, the U.S. government found out that the actual cost of a artist's CD was way too expensive to sell for money. The U.S. Government was talking about lowering the cost of CD's for the comsumers, but I don't know if the ever when through with it.

BozQ
September 10th, 2003, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by gokujon
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030910/ap_on_hi_te/downloading_music_19

looks like they won with the little girl. how sad Jeez! That's so stupid! The RIAA can only kick themselves if majority of the buyers are going to boycott buying any American copyrighted music

Sym Bitch Rain Bot
September 10th, 2003, 11:17 AM
My problem is just how the go about this..... I mean.... are they that desperate that they are going to go after children to get a measly few thousand dollars, of which I am sure none will go to any of the said artists having their work stolen.

Actually it does seem counter productive as their legal bills per person probably exceeds anything they are getting in settlements. Not to mention the countless hours of manpower spent to weed out those few individuals.

And yes... if they want people to stop people from stealing music then perhaps they should lower their album prices from the ridiculous 20 dollar mark when it costs them mere pennies to produce a single cd. And currently, unless you are a major name artist like Madonna or Micheal Jackson, you get pennies on each album you sell. If you really want to support a band then you should go see them in concert since they at least get a reasonable share of your ticket price.

But..... this is foolish. They are hurting their industry more as even anti piracy folk think this is simply ridiculous. If given a reasonable legal option people will go for it. People will pay a dollar for a song on iTunes. People don't want to pay 20 dollars for what is frequently becoming 9-11 song albums with a single hit on there.

Not to mention a lot of peple are simply boycotting the major record labels, thus further hurting their buisness. That makes lots of sense to sue and prosecute your main audience..... Most college students I know now simply refuse to buy albums to counter the greed. That will start hurting their figures in a year.

Tyr-El
September 10th, 2003, 11:23 AM
The last North American album I bought was Evanescence's "Fallen", and it's one of the rare CDs where pretty much every song is a good one. Before that? Maybe OLP's "Clumsy" which was back in '97. That was the year I got ADSL and subsequently stopped buying CDs.

Any other music I buy has been Japanese (the OSTs for Final Fantasies IV, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, and Kingdom Hearts).

I'd like to know how they justify charging someone 2 G for downloading what amounts to 2 CDs...or 40 bucks.

Fuckin' corporate greed.

momotroniuity
September 10th, 2003, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by EdenoiGold
I think Weird Al Said it best in "Internet Sandman"

Sue our Fans, We're off to Napster Napster Land

First of all not Weird Al, That's a Johnny Crass song...

anyways I really don't buy CD's anyway waste of money for songs that will go out of style in 2 hours, 14 minutes, 37 seconds and 27 milliseconds

Ace Venom
September 10th, 2003, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Rain Flower
Actually it does seem counter productive as their legal bills per person probably exceeds anything they are getting in settlements. Not to mention the countless hours of manpower spent to weed out those few individuals.

Well, this is one of the arguments I had made months ago. I finally realized that the RIAA is willing to sacrifice the funds just to put the fear of god into people by making examples out of the people who got sued.

s1deeffect
September 10th, 2003, 06:17 PM
the RIAA is mad gay. If they tried to sue me I'd tell them I'm a leecher and that I already own the CDs and that they can kiss my ass.

I like what Universal is doing by the end of October, so they say,
they will put a price cap on their CDs. They won't let them sold for any more than $12.98, with the ideal price of $10. Most likely not gonna happen, but hey.

I love AOL and its having hundreds of people on the same IP during the course of a day oh and Kazaa Lite, too.

Lothor Rocks
September 10th, 2003, 06:20 PM
I hope RIAA wins!!!

It is stealing.

s1deeffect
September 10th, 2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by Clu-less
Vince McMahon, the RIAA, I mean what the fuck?


Vince McMahon is one smart son of a bitch the RIAA ,on the other hand, are stupid mother fuckers.

Lothor Kahn
September 10th, 2003, 06:48 PM
You mean it isn't safe to download videos too? Or not? I really want to watch the Ninja Quest 4-part episode, and if I am able to get sued because of that, then that REALLY sucks!


Calling all AbaRangers, especially Abare Killer( white ranger).

Mr Tuesday II
September 10th, 2003, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by EdenoiGold
I think Weird Al Said it best in "Internet Sandman"

Sue our Fans, We're off to Napster Napster Land

That's not a Wierd Al song.

(Why does everybody thing only Wierd Al does Parodies?)

OriginalRanger
September 10th, 2003, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by gokujon
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030910/ap_on_hi_te/downloading_music_19

looks like they won with the little girl. how sad

Suing a twelve-year old kid? How awful can they get?

GoldRanger
September 10th, 2003, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by Mr Tuesday II
That's not a Wierd Al song.

(Why does everybody thing only Wierd Al does Parodies?)

Doesn't he?

Tony
September 10th, 2003, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Mr Tuesday II
That's not a Wierd Al song.

(Why does everybody thing only Wierd Al does Parodies?)

because on Kazzaa every parody song is listed under his name

ThePowerRanger
September 10th, 2003, 10:35 PM
All I can say about all this is: BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

I mean, downloading music is illegal?? I download music is because buying CDs is just so damn expensive!! How is video taping a TV show any different?? TTaking something that is not ours. Hey, at least we are not selling it to other people!!!

GreenRanger66
September 10th, 2003, 10:36 PM
The Last Time I Bought A C.D Was In 1996 After That I Said To hell With It. If I Want A C.D I'll Get It off of E-bay!






Robert

GreenRanger66
September 10th, 2003, 10:41 PM
It Brings Me To Another Point Is The RIAA Gonna Sue Me For Letting A Friend Borrow Any Of My C.D's?

mythranger
September 10th, 2003, 10:52 PM
Must you capitalize every word?

GreenRanger66
September 10th, 2003, 10:56 PM
Yup

1984Man
September 11th, 2003, 12:50 AM
This whole thing is just retarded. Downloading music over the internet is the exact same thing as asking a friend to make you a copy of a record (shows how old I am) that you heard at their house and liked. There is absolutely no difference between the two. The only thing with the P2P software is a few million more friends.

Cyrax9
September 11th, 2003, 03:09 AM
OK on the subject of "Weird Al's Enter Napster" he didn't write the song, somebody named Johnny something or other did, but Al later bought the Copyright to it because he wanted to use it at concerts as I said I ahve family memebrs with ties to the entertainment industry.

Kazza qwasn't set up by the RIAA, but they did install an IP "Tracing" program through it liek a Virus whichis why they're geting IP's like nobody's buisness.

As for the RIAA, they're lieka schoolyard bully they're taking their big fat "Red Rubber Ball" (Find the pun in that remark) and going home with it and your lunch money.

The Retarted idiotic Ass-ociation of America has made several enemies in the past 48 hours.

Also don't be so damn sure about your Japanese Music, SOny Japan (Sentai SOngs) is covered by the RIAA as are many other "Impoert Labels" which do Japanese Music, in short it's covwered by the RIAA in america another association in Japan adn the UK also has an equivlent of the RIAA, theyr'e a union like the MPAA justa courrupt one.

FYI there is a planned "Civil Disobediance" Boycott slated for October 4 - October 17 -- one week to Boycott all RiAA related items, espeically CD's but NOT INDEPENDANT ARTISTS who are NOT part of the RIAA!

From 10/04/03 to 10/14/03 do NOT buy any RIAA relatyed items adn support the Boycott, it will hurt ther fiscal earnings in a HORRIBLE way, they'll lsoe a huge chunk of Q4 if nobody buys CD's that week and get others in on the enws, if they keep loosing sales and people keep downaloding they'll lose in the end, this is a SCARE TACTIC, scare people to stop sharing files, well I ain't scared and if youg et sued, consider yourself soemone fighting fdor your rights, as another memebr mentioend thisis o different than copying a cassette tape or a Viynl LP adn yes I stillown them, showing how oldI am, and I've paidf for my LP's on CD as well, in short, the RIAA has gotten plenty off of me, don't oworry,m if enough people still avoid CD's adn download, their will eb a moral debate raise as well as the argument that if the majority of people now Download music, can it still be considered infringement on a copyright if the materialis already ciruclating freely via this form of delivery, as a harvard law student put it, in short, the RIAA isn't goingto get very far, let's see who they've sued so far:

1. A 12 year-old Girl who didn't even knw what a lawsuit was and,

2> A 56 year old grandpa who rarely used his computer, if these are the people they're suing they should eb arrested for crimes against humanity, they're suing the elderly and thee children? Sounds like a bunch of thieves ot em, oh wait! They ATRE theives artists fdon't get paid and contracts are rigged andif you write a song adn you're part of the RIAA they OWN the song you no lognert own it, in troher words even if you write lyrics that suck adn never intend to publish them the RIAA owns them and CAN publsh thema s they demonstrate all the time.

Boycott the RIAA and let's have amodernd ay equivelent of the Boston tea Party, and don't forget what we did to the MPAA it's a good thing to reassess when dealing wth the RIAA>

TimeRed2k1
September 11th, 2003, 03:14 AM
Originally posted by Lothor Rocks
I hope RIAA wins!!!

It is stealing.

I hope you die. You're stealing intelligent living space.

GreenRanger66
September 12th, 2003, 01:10 AM
I just wanted to know. I understand that they own the songs and such but once I or somebody else buys a product don't we own it? like a c.d for instance i bought lets say a Metallica c.d. if i wanted to couldn't i somehow attach it to a firework and blow the hell out of it, since i do own the product?

well I know that this is another bullshit tactic brought about by greedy aholes.